[ForkaB]

Firstly, what do we mean by "hidden?"

All courses are hidden to some.  No course is hidden to all.

Secondly, what do we mean by a "gem?"

All courses are "gems" to somebody.  Few are "gems" to all of us on GCA.

[BCrosby]

A course that has been played by a few and under appreciated by many.

Bob

[Patrick_Mucci]

Firstly, what do we mean by "hidden?"

Not widely known

All courses are hidden to some.  No course is hidden to all.

Secondly, what do we mean by a "gem?"

A course of value, a joy to behold

All courses are "gems" to somebody.  Few are "gems" to all of us on GCA.

Having "Distinctive Taste" helps

[ForkaB]

Thanks, Bob and Pat, but what do you mean, personally?

To me, Brora has been a gem since I first played it in 1981, and it was "hidden" up until 2000 or so.  I thought that Cruden Bay was a "gem" prior to playing it (although not "hidden"), but after playing it I have seen it as a very fine course, but not "gemlike" (per Arthur Pater--"...to burn always with that hard gemlike flame, that is success in life....").  Alternatively, after playing it, Cypress remains a gem even though not forevermore hidden.

I guess what I am getting at is that there are (to me--both experientially and vicariously) very few truly hidden gems.  What think ye?

[TEPaul]

"No course is hidden to all."

Rich:

That's not quite true. There's a course around here noone has seen except me.

[ForkaB]

Tom

Regardless of what others may think, I tend to include you in "all."

 

[BCrosby]

Rich -

I don't pack "gem" with as much weight as you do.  

For me, a hidden gem is no more than a very good course that few have seen and is rarely discussed.

It does not need to burn intensely as a gem-like flame. (Pater would spill his absinthe if he heard he was being quoted in a discussion of golf courses. )

Bob

 

[ForkaB]

Good answer, Bob!

However, I also think we need more absinthe and less Bellhaven's Best when discussing GCA.......

[TEPaul]

Rich:

Thinking back through the last ten years or so the greatest "gem" I've run across (in the sense of being unexpectedly cool) is Misquamicutt in Watch Hill R.I. A bundle of fun for a variety of reasons (some really interesting topogaphy on a few hole mid-bodies probably the primary reason) and a par 69 to boot. I just cannot imagine anyone would ever think this golf course could ever get even remotely boring---not for a single second.

[Dan Kelly]

As you say, Rich, both words are hyperbolic.

A "hidden gem" is a good, fun course I've played and you haven't -- particularly a course I've played and you've never heard of.

Or, more likely, vice versa.

[Tommy Williamsen]

There are fewer 'hiddem gems" among course afficionods and the nuts who tend to frequent this site.  But to the average Joe golfer courses like Cypress Point are hidden, not because it is out of the way but they just don't know some of the courses that are not in their area.  I remember a few yeaars ago I mentioned that I was going to play Pine Valley.  "I never heard of it.  Where is it?  Is it public?"  I was dumbfounded.

On the other hand ther really are hidden gems.  How many know Coolatin or even what country it is in?  I loved it and it was truly 'Hidden."

[A_Clay_Man]

Senor Rihc-
A hidden gem is a place you would reccommend to someone you hardly know, probably just met at the golf course (or Pub). But in those few moments of encounter you noticed an interest in what this sport should be all about, FUN.
Another aspect of "Gem" is lack of machismo (audacity in most cases) reflected in the price to experince it.

[Bob_Huntley]

Rihc,

I've always thought of it as a pudenda under a crinoline hoop-skirt.

Bob

[M. Shea Sweeney]

Westhampton Golf Club

[Brad Tufts]

Of course Hidden Gem means different things to different people, and with a group like GCA, it would be increasingly difficult to find a good list of courses that some of us have not heard of.  

We all have our preferences for design characteristics, and I'm sure there are some courses that we like that have attributes that wouldn't strike the next GCA aficionado.

I guess I tend to think of the low profile, non-advertised course, often old or short, that has evolved into a fun and quirky layout.  My recent discovery of this was Greenfield CC in Greenfield, MA, near the junction of route 2 and I-91.

[ForkaB]

Rihc,

I've always thought of it as a pudenda under a crinoline hoop-skirt.

Bob

Thanks, Bob!

I'm trying to relate the analogy to GCA.  Give me a few months, please........

And (et?)

Ou est les jupes crinolines d'antan?

[Dan Kelly]

Messrs. Huntley and Goodale both seem to be having problems with their singulars and their plurals -- in two languages, no less!

They must be distracted, with those ... interesting analogies bouncing around in there.

[ForkaB]

Messrs. Huntley and Goodale both seem to be having problems with their singulars and their plurals -- in two languages, no less!

They must be distracted, with those ... interesting analogies bouncing around in there.

OK, Word Nazi!

"Ou sont les jupes crinolines d'antan....."

I'll let Bob deal with the pundenda (pudendae?)--he's had many more years of Latin than have I........

[Dan Kelly]

I'll let Bob deal with the pundenda...

No pundenda intended, I trust!

[Jack_Marr]

I would say it's a place appreciated by its members that does not attract large crowds of tourists.

[Bob_Huntley]

Messrs. Huntley and Goodale both seem to be having problems with their singulars and their plurals -- in two languages, no less!

They must be distracted, with those ... interesting analogies bouncing around in there.

OK, Word Nazi!

"Ou sont les jupes crinolines d'antan....."

I'll let Bob deal with the pundenda (pudendae?)--he's had many more years of Latin than have I........

Dan,

Okay, pudendum, but the components of such are what we call two-sided, hence usually used in the plural.

Bob

[TEPaul]

You guys are gross pigs!

[Patrick_Mucci]

Thanks, Bob and Pat, but what do you mean, personally ?

Boca Rio

And, you and Bob Huntley are welcome to play it anytime you're in south Florida.   I've invited TEPaul on numerous occassions, but, he can't find south Florida.... yet.
He keeps hovering around Fernandina Beach.
If he ever went to South Beach, he'd never go anywhere else.

Go to Ran's review.

Noone, and I mean noone knows of the golf course, even the residents of Boca Raton.

Yet, it's a wonderful golf course.

A hidden gem.

[ForkaB]

Pat

Many thanks for the invite.  Now I have one good reason to visit South Florida.  If you tell me that they still wear crinoline hoop-skirts down there, that will be two, unless of course that happens to be the men's fashion item du jour......

[TEPaul]

"Tom P.
Your comment reminds me of a joke."

Sean:

Thank God, and thank you very much. It seems like most of my comments that're meant to be a joke either evoke high dudgeon amongst some on here or else fly right over their heads.  


"Why are so many young women not married?  Because they only want the sausage, not the entire pig."

For a remark like that you are not only a gross pig but an extreme male chauvinist gross pig.

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