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Dan Herrmann

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Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« on: March 09, 2006, 11:42:07 AM »
I know it's a goofy question..  But I've been working all morning listening to XM satellite radio.  I find music helps me shut out sounds and maybe even become more creative.

Just curious if architects listen to tunes while working - either in the office or in the field.  If so, what type of music?

And does the genre affect the designs?  I'll bet a different result is reached listening to AC/DC than with the Miles Davis :)

The late, great, Mr. Strantz could be a Rock guy, and C&C could be smooth jazz.
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2006, 12:59:01 PM »
In the field, I wear some IEM's (inner ear monitors, like the musicians wear) because it isolates the noise of the bulldozer. Almost always, my music of choice is jazz....the funkier the better. I carry a 5 gig mp3 player that my son has helped me tweak to carry about 60 hours of music.

Joe
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2006, 01:34:58 PM »
I use an iPod, too.

What's in there now: The Black Keys, Dinosaur Jr., Paul Westerberg, Son Volt, Radiohead, The Rolling Stones... and some other stuff!
jeffmingay.com

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2006, 01:41:25 PM »
The back office usually has a sports talk show on, or maybe Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura.  I prefer to work with only the buzz of the computer screen and/or the roar of the electric eraser in my ears.......

Actually, my old friends commented on how quiet my parents house was and I have maintained that throughout my life.  My home is quiet, my office is quiet, etc. Well, not when my kids were small, but even then, relatively quiet.

I guess I am old fashioned, but I don't think you can think if you are concentrating even slightly on music or talk.  Now, having said that, you can tell my distractions again are silent - the lure of gca and today only, the hockey sites since its trade deadline day.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Neal_Meagher

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2006, 02:04:58 PM »
Rush Limbaugh?  Dr. Laura?  Well Jeff, I guess I've been in California too long because as Rush's exortations are wafting through your back office, I find myself here listening to some cool world music-type stuff from Bolivia or somewhere on KPFA, the leftist-leaning indy station from.................Berkeley!

But, all kidding aside, unlike Jeff, I find it nearly impossible to concentrate on design-type stuff in a dead quiet environment.  I listen to the aforementioned kind of music from places like Peru and France to deep chill music and electronic jazz with artists like John Tejada, Funki Porcini, Mark Rae and Mr. Scruff and Moby.  And oh, yes, Miles, Trane, Sonny Rollins, Dexter Gordon, Chet Baker and Louis Armstrong.

But, when writing letters, doing accounting stuff and the like, extreme silence is needed.  As for music in the field, I don't know how that works.  I'm almost always with others and the only thing I tend to stick in my ears are earplugs so as not to go deaf when around excavators, scrapers and dozers.
The purpose of art is to delight us; certain men and women (no smarter than you or I) whose art can delight us have been given dispensation from going out and fetching water and carrying wood. It's no more elaborate than that. - David Mamet

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Ryan Farrow

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2006, 02:11:04 PM »
I don’t know about these old guys here but I love to listen to music when I am designing. It is something you really can’t do in any other type of field. I would say at least 80% of my architecture studio listens to music while in class working on their projects. This makes me wonder that if any of my designs change when I’m listening to rap one second and country the next.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 02:16:17 PM »
Ryan,

When I was in landscape design at U of Illinois, we used the old presidents residence as our studio. Most students were grouped three or four to an old bedroom with five or six in some of the old living areas.

I purposely selected a suitemate who was a divorcee who had to work at home, and the two of us shared the maid's quarters, but she was never there at night.

I went home at night by midnight while everyone else stayed all night.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 02:49:20 PM »
Jeff and Neal,

I'm like you guys in the office, at the computer. Silence is needed to concentrate.

But when I'm running a backhoe or bulldozer, music is a welcome distraction to the alternative noise!
jeffmingay.com

Jay Flemma

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 03:13:32 PM »
Dan...actually Strantz was a Jazz Guy...he mellowed out to Billy Taylor, Ahmad jamal and Roy Haynes.

Jeff M...please oh please oh please tell me the Stones disc is Exile on Main Street.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 03:41:23 PM »
Jay,

Exile on Main Street is the best album ever made.

It's in my iPod  :)
jeffmingay.com

Bill_McBride

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 05:48:30 PM »
Here's a question for the music loving architects:  would different styles of music result in different golf design styles?  Funkadelic vs cool jazz?  Your thoughts please!

Tom_Doak

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 06:02:54 PM »
I really don't listen to music at work.  I'm concentrating on what I'm seeing.

Every one of my associates does, though, whether they're operating the equipment or just in the office.  Brian Slawnik even put together a mix CD this Christmas for the dozen projects he's worked on since starting at Beechtree; it was among the coolest Christmas gifts of the year.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 06:03:11 PM »
Bill,

I don't think what I'm listening to at the time has any effect on how a bunker or green comes out. Not at all... but, maybe I'm wrong?
jeffmingay.com

paul cowley

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2006, 06:20:25 PM »
....when on the site I usually carry a boom box in a backpack....I enjoy celtic dance music or some rousing bagpipe marching tunes....if my hands aren't occupied I have a small set of cymbals I like to break out on occasion.....
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

paul cowley

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 06:21:34 PM »
...actually I'm with TomD and prefer the sounds of silence.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Ryan Farrow

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2006, 06:50:22 PM »
Ryan,

When I was in landscape design at U of Illinois, we used the old presidents residence as our studio. Most students were grouped three or four to an old bedroom with five or six in some of the old living areas.

I purposely selected a suitemate who was a divorcee who had to work at home, and the two of us shared the maid's quarters, but she was never there at night.

I went home at night by midnight while everyone else stayed all night.


I find the people who stay up all night at the architecture studio very cult-like. They scare me sometimes. They go days without sleep and starve themselves to get projects done. I perfer to do my work at my apartment. And i always seem to make it to the reviews with a full nights sleep and a full stomach.

Kyle Harris

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 06:53:06 PM »
Almost categorically Genesis with anything golf related. Especially designing golf holes or areas.

Duke's Travels/End or the whole Duke Suite.
Return of the Giant Hogweed
Trick of a Tail (the whole album)
Wind and Wuthering

I could come up with some weird stuff listening to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 07:26:06 PM »
Classic Genesis is a fine choice.

Here are some others I think would lend themselves to inspiration in golf architecture:

Lorena McKennitt (for lively celtic tunes)
Classic Genesis (of course)
JS Bach (calming)
Pat Methany (amazing jazz)
Jean Luc Ponty (even more amazing jazz)
Son Volt is a great choice
And I think Nickel Creek's stuff would work too.




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W.H. Cosgrove

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2006, 07:55:49 PM »
Jeff, I don't know about the rest of these guys but we need to talk music!

What? You climb down when Sweet Virginia comes on and scrape your shoes?

James Bennett

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2006, 08:06:34 PM »
Dan Herrmann

Jean Luc Ponty, and his electric violin (if I recall correctly).  Haven't listened to that for 20 years - I should find it again.

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Off-thread musical experience, initially off-putting but actually incredibly relaxing ........  Well, I'm flat on my back, being wheeled into the ice-cold operating theatre (you know, the one with the big viewing windows, masses of machines and computers etc etc) with a big heated blanket over me to keep me warm.  I am about to have a pacemaker inserted in my chest.  Turns out it is only about 15 minutes of surgery under a local anaesthetic, but you don't really know all these things before it happens.  Pretty tense time - especially when you are alone 800 miles from home.

Well, the heart surgery specialist arrives, and on goes the CD of that Canadian Dan Hill, playing the album with 'and sometimes when we touch, the honesty's too much ...'.  That was one of my favourite albums from 25 to 30 years ago, and I hadn't heard it for over 20 years ago.  I didn't know heart surgeons played music while they operated.  And I didn't expect to hear music which I knew and was so soothing.

It went really well, I was totally relaxed and chatted away with the surgeon as he poked wires and batteries into my chest.  An amazing experience.

James B
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Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

Joe Hancock

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2006, 08:23:45 PM »
James,

Now you started it. I took a portable Toshiba CD player in and listened to Chick Corea Electrik Band when I got my vasectomy. The fact the doctor gave me a couple Valium to take a couple hours before the procedure, coupled with good music and I really didn't care how sharp or pointy the objects they wielded were.

Now, back on topic..... ;D

Kyle Harris,

I know we've agreed on the Genesis thing before, but I'm claiming plagarism on your part for the "Duke's Travels/ Duke's End" thing! I mentioned it before, and still believe it's a great rythem and flow for routing 18 holes.

Joe

" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Mike_Young

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2006, 08:36:15 PM »
I do keep an ipod with about 6000 songs on it...and since I use Mac in the office tey are laso located there so something is usually on....
BUT the Music guys I have seen are the shapers...seems they al eep headphones in their ears while on the machines.....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Ted Curtis

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2006, 08:42:34 PM »
Not sure if it's the same, but when I write, I like to put on the radio onto the local rap/hip-hop station. No, I'm not a big fan, but the boom-boom beat gets me typing faster and I'm not singing along with the words (since I don't know them...) and therefore I'm not taking away from my concentration.

Either that or whatever's on ESPN at any given moment. Except bowling. And curling. And the spelling bee...

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2006, 08:52:32 PM »
James - yep - that Jean Luc Ponty.   The electric jazz violin.

Jay Flemma

Re:Architects - do you listen to music as you're working?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2006, 09:39:22 PM »
I really don't listen to music at work.  I'm concentrating on what I'm seeing.

Every one of my associates does, though, whether they're operating the equipment or just in the office.  Brian Slawnik even put together a mix CD this Christmas for the dozen projects he's worked on since starting at Beechtree; it was among the coolest Christmas gifts of the year.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there Tom.  You're not escaping that fast.  I'm all the way down here in Lubbock about to tee off tomorrow morning at the Rawls Course, so the least YOU can do is tell us what you've got in your CD player...come on, give us a glimpse...what do you play in the car or the house?

Jeff Mingay, you are my hero.  In my playing days, I loved ending shows/encoring with "Loving Cup."

Exile on Main Street...What a great driving disc...put the top down, crank the stereo, drive an hour to the golf course...get amped for a round.

Kyle...and the other Genesis heads...Uh...HELLO???  FIRTH OF FIFTH??????????? and the rest of Selling England by the Pound...
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