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John_Cullum

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PGA Merchandise Show-fact or fiction?
« on: January 11, 2006, 12:14:15 PM »
The PGA Merchandise Show is January 26-29.  In past years there has been sizable attendance from the GCA crowd, who is planning to attend this year and is there any interest in a meet and greet? I will volunteer to make arrangements this year if there is adequate interest.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2006, 11:26:28 AM by John Cullum »
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John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2006, 12:18:46 PM »
It's my opinion that people who choose this show over the GCSAA show are architectural hypocrites...It says alot about where peoples minds really are.  

A_Clay_Man

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2006, 12:46:22 PM »
B 2 B v. mano e mano ?

A.G._Crockett

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2006, 12:49:50 PM »
It's my opinion that people who choose this show over the GCSAA show are architectural hypocrites...It says alot about where peoples minds really are.  

Wow!  Who knew it had to be one or the other? :)
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jeffwarne

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2006, 12:56:20 PM »
yesterday it was supers vs. architects.
now i guess it's pros vs. supers and (owners)?
If I go to both what does that make me? ::)


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Brian Noser

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2006, 01:41:33 PM »
John,

I am just curious why you think that? I would rather attend the PGA show then the GCSAA. Why does that make me a hypocrite?  I am not going to either but if i had the choice.

Ryan Crago

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2006, 01:48:20 PM »
JK,

please, tell us what you really feel.

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2006, 02:22:16 PM »
John,

I am just curious why you think that? I would rather attend the PGA show then the GCSAA. Why does that make me a hypocrite?  I am not going to either but if i had the choice.

Oh, lets see this is a tough one.  Mingle with the supers, architects and owners of golf courses or the idiot equipment manufacturers...hmmm.  Last year at the GCSAA show they even built a green from scratch on the convention floor....Of course how can that compare to Callaways new method of building a composite driver.   At the GCSAA convention you get to see all the behind the scenes equiptment that may or may not maintain golf courses in the manner you might find most exciting....but how can that compare to heel - toe weighting.   It just seem clear to me that if you are interested in the core of the game you go to one show but if score floats your boat go to another.  It's a core vs score argument.
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rjsimper

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2006, 02:29:39 PM »
But in order to be a hypocrite, don't you have to make a strong statement in the first place?

Sure, for those who claim to be lovers of architecture first and foremost, then the PGA show is not the place for them.

But, in as much as I consider myself a student of the game, and an appreciator of great architecture, I am first and foremost, a golfer.

Thus, equipment is an important part of the game for me - had I gone to the PGA show, I would not be a hypocrite, because I never pretended to be primarily an architecture student.


Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 02:34:13 PM »
Since when did it become a sin to have an interest in architecture and equipment..kind of like saying you can't desire to bed blondes and brunettes...or am I missing something here?????

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2006, 02:46:15 PM »
Michael,

Last year a large number of people had the choice to go either to the PGA or the GCSAA show. (People who come on this site and claim they study architecture)  I just feel that if you choose to look at the latest and greatest clubs being manufactured instead of how golf courses are built and maintained and then come on this site and spout this and that you are an architectural poser.   Of course if you are like Ryan and admit you are not primarily into architecture then you are neither a poser or a hypocrite.  Please note that as far as I can remember you have neither spouted this or that and should in no way take offense to my above statements.

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2006, 02:49:40 PM »
I'm off to pick up my kid so throw me to the wolves if you will, but before I go think about who is promoting the game and who is ruining the game...Go buy a super a drink fo God's sake.

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2006, 04:13:35 PM »
Is entry into the PGA show free...I know getting into the GCSAA show cost me over a hundred bucks.

Brian Noser

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2006, 04:20:36 PM »
I just wonder how one can only be in to architecture? Do you play golf John? What clubs do you use? Are you a super, architect or owner?  You must use hickories and gutta balls everytime you gou out right. I am just saying you to are a golfer, I am guessing, maybe not. Ryan and I are the only rare ones here where that appreciate great achitecture  but prefer to just play the game of golf. I guess I am a hypocrite then.

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2006, 04:30:20 PM »
Brian,

Have you ever come out against the lengthening of a classic course...If you have and you support the equipment manufacturers in preference to the supers you are indeed a hypocrite.  Sorry...If you rate architecture for a magazine and choose to support the equipment manufacturers over the supers you are most likely both a hypocrite and my friend.  After giving this much thought I am of the opinion that anyone who goes to the PGA merchandise show simply is more in love with themselves than the game.  It would be a better world if nobody bought a new club next year.

jeffwarne

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2006, 04:42:57 PM »
John doesn't use clubs or balls when he plays.
He also plays naked.
This way he doesn't support anyone at the PGA show.

Would someone who went to the PGA show to network,play golf (with clubs and balls),and visit nonequipment vendors be OK? or are we all hypocrites?

disclosure-I use clubs and balls and wear clothes that conform to many dress codes.

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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2006, 04:49:34 PM »
Since when did it become a sin to have an interest in architecture and equipment..kind of like saying you can't desire to bed blondes and brunettes...or am I missing something here?????

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John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2006, 04:53:24 PM »


Would someone who went to the PGA show to network,play golf (with clubs and balls),and visit nonequipment vendors be OK? or are we all hypocrites?


I don't think there is anything wrong with occasionally dancing with Satan but worshiping at his temple is a little over the top.

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2006, 05:08:06 PM »
I will actually answer the original question.  I hope to be down there.  And might be interested in getting a bite to eat maybe Thurs night, as long as it isnt the same place we went last year.

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Brian Noser

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2006, 05:23:25 PM »
I do not think I have ever come out about the lengthing of a classic course, not a rater either. I am a golfer much like Mr. Simper. I just am more interested in a new driver then a new tractor that is all.

John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2006, 07:28:37 PM »
Sorry Brian but you may have forgot the following to Mr. Simper himself..It was Oct 3 2005 on a ball to far thread.

Come on Simper you know you enjoy hitting the ball to FAR.

Me on the other hand I do not think I hit it to far. Just not straight enough and if it was straighter it may be i do not know. I make it interesting besides the lengh.I do hit the ball pretty long though but not in the 350 range. I would say I am in the group of 290 - 315 and the rare huge one at 330 - 340.
If it gets any longer it will start to be come a problem I think.
for most of the general public corses to make them interesting. it is fun every now and then to hit wedges into every hole but not every week.

cary lichtenstein

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2006, 01:35:43 AM »
Friday nite for Bette and I. Can't make Thursday, have show in Miami Beach that day. The antiques and Jewelry Show, and my ass would be grass if I didn't take her to that.

And now you know who wears the pants in our family ;D

 Not the same place as last year either. How about Cheesecake Factory, we can eat for $20 ahead including the tip ;D
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Brad Klein

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2006, 03:12:19 AM »
John K,

as usual, you're out of touch. There is no GCSAA Show anymore. Starting in 2005 with the Orlando meeting, it's now a combined Golf Industry Show (and called GIS), co-sponsored by the GCSAA, ASGCA, Golf Course Builders Association of America, the National Golf Course Owners Association, and to include the Club Managers Association of America in 2007.

That materially enhances your argument (I hate to concede that) but you deserve a slap upside the head for your faux pas.

I also think if you really care about golf and golf courses you'll attend both meetings, as awful a place as Atlanta is in Feb. (or any other time of the year). Besides, if you're there, you can take my four-hour writing seminar and learn, among other things, how to compose better posts.
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John Kavanaugh

Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2006, 07:38:49 AM »
Brad,

How could you forget our chance meeting at the "GIS" show last year in Orlando.  I was at the damn thing and didn't even know its name.  I thought the ASGCA guys were wearing those ugly coats just cause they could.  So, you say the merchandise show has value..could you please explain how.  (bet you can't write like that in your class)

Brad Klein

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Re:PGA Merchandise Show-any interest?
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2006, 07:43:45 AM »
I ask myself the same thing, John: "how can I forget?" meeting you. I'm still trying.

I think of the PGA Show as "offense" and the GIS Show as "defense." Golf resides in the dialectic between these two organic principles. I love seeing the hype, the promise, the business and the technology of equipment (I am not so big on the apparel part, personally). Then a week or two later I like to see how the ground is being defended.