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paul cowley

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"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« on: December 18, 2005, 05:41:04 PM »
I really don't like todays bunker maintenance practices, and I'm with CBMac concerning the calvalry running thru them, but I  have always been stymied [ ;) ] when they have to be delineated or maintained as such or such on a new course until NOW........lets just throw away all those colored sticks and call them WASTE AREAS,  and then we can do whatever we want with them as far as grooming is concerned and no one can complain [except to the Super if he doesn't do what we ask him to, or, not to do]........or am I just dumb AND stupid?
please check either;
A dumb
B stupid
or all of the above
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 05:51:48 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Paul Payne

Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 05:55:20 PM »
I agree, that's why it's called a hazard. I would like to know where and when the practice of raking bunkers started in the first place, just out of curiosity. Besides, if they were not tended we would not feel so abused when we landed in that "one footprint" that killed the entire hole for us.

Kyle Harris

Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 06:06:57 PM »
How does the practice of golfers raking bunkers immediately after they play out of them affect maintenance costs?

Lloyd_Cole

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Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 07:12:28 PM »
How does the practice of golfers raking bunkers immediately after they play out of them affect maintenance costs?
They don't rake them before they play and it must take at least couple of man hours to prepare the average course in the early AM.

TEPaul

Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2005, 08:38:37 PM »
Paul:

Interesting:

Not more than three months ago, I had the exact same idea as you----eg just call all the sand areas on any golf course "waste areas" and play them "through the green".

So I called up the RULES Department at the USGA and asked them about that and they told me you can't do that. When I asked why they just told me to read the definition of "Bunker".

So I told them "waste areas" sort of look like a bunker and feel like a bunker so how come they aren't defined as "bunkers"?

They told me because some courses have "Local Rules" defined them as "Waste Areas".

So I asked them if they might ever define "Waste area" within the Rules of Golf and they said why do that---they're areas that are designated as "through the green".

I felt like asking them again if it was OK to designate all sand areas on a golf course as "waste areas" but decided to just let them off the merry-go-round!  ;)

Get my drift?

During this Rules "waste area" investigation, I even went so far as to call Pete and Alice about the history of the "waste bunker". She said Pete created the first one and she told me how and why and then she said the USGA insisted they not be called "waste BUNKER" so they became 'waste areas".  ;)

Go figure!
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 08:42:54 PM by TEPaul »

Kyle Harris

Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2005, 08:40:31 PM »
How does the practice of golfers raking bunkers immediately after they play out of them affect maintenance costs?
They don't rake them before they play and it must take at least couple of man hours to prepare the average course in the early AM.

Lloyd,

I am certainly in the "Ban the rake, smooth it with your shoe" camp, but I often wonder if there are any cost benefits to having the predominant amount of golfers rake the bunker day in and day out.

Michael Hayes

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Re:"why am I so stupid?"...by paul cowley
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 10:27:09 AM »
A buddy of mine is a USGA turfie and every time he has a talk where he mentions bunkers he always starts with...

"Bunkers the areas formerly known as hazards" :-\...
Bandonistas Unite!!!

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