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Brian_Gracely

Would this type of thinking make GCA.com a better place?
« on: September 28, 2005, 09:18:14 PM »
I pulled this blurb out of an article from ESPN, and while it's not golf related, imagine if "Golf" was substituted for "Music" in this approach to thinking and talking about a subjective matter like golf architecture and its "goodness" or "badness".

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Certainly, music is WAY more subjective. These two subjects are not even comparable. For example, I could insist that the greatest band in the world is actually four unsigned guys from Oregon who have never made a record and are just bouncing around the Portland club scene, and that this band is like what would have happened if Lennon & McCartney had formed a quartet with Keith Richards and Charlie Watts, and that these people write the best songs since The Smiths and they play louder than Blue Cheer. I could argue that this group is cooler than The Arcade Fire or the White Stripes, because I could insist they are more "authentic" or "incendiary" or "visceral." I could create reasons that explain this hypothetical band's greatness, and a few crazy people would find my theory interesting and potentially valid. However, I could never claim that the best quarterback in the country is actually some 28-year-old dude working in a car wash in downtown Detroit, and that this person is substantially better than Peyton Manning. That would immediately seem idiotic to everyone. This is why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is such a failure; there are no quantifiable qualities for the inductees. There is no way to *prove* that a musician is good. And this is not an issue in sports. There's no risk that Greg Maddux won't make the Baseball Hall of Fame simply because certain sportswriters don't think he's hip enough, or because they feel his pitching style is derivative.

I think you somewhat misread my rock writing, though; I don't think I ever imply that my opinions are some kind of universal truth. When I say "Vitalogy" is "irrefutably" the best Pearl Jam album, I'm really just saying that fact is irrefutable *to me.* But I am only speaking about my own reality. If I say a band is good, it only means that *I* think they're good; if I say a band is bad, it only means that *I* think they're bad. All my criticism is autobiography. I have no interest in persuading (or dissuading) readers from liking anything.  

Philip Gawith

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Re:Would this type of thinking make GCA.com a better place?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2005, 03:40:07 AM »
I am not sure that it would Brian.

Inasmuch as it encourages people to show a measure of tolerance about opinions different than their own, then yes.

But inasmuch as it is a counsel of relativism - all opinions have equal merit because nothing can be definitively proven -then no.

All opinions are not equal, in my view. That way madness lies! Sure there are grey areas, but no one is surely arguing that my views on golf architecture and music are deserving of the same weight as those of Jack Nicklaus and Mick Jagger respectively?


THuckaby2

Re:Would this type of thinking make GCA.com a better place?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2005, 11:55:24 AM »
Gracely - not sure if this would make GCA.com better or not, but man I am just damn pleased to find another Bill Simmons fan.

I live by his teachings.

 ;D ;D

Mike Benham

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Re:Would this type of thinking make GCA.com a better place?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2005, 12:06:42 PM »
Gracely - not sure if this would make GCA.com better or not, but man I am just damn pleased to find another Bill Simmons fan.

I live by his teachings.

 ;D ;D

Ditto ;)
"... and I liked the guy ..."

ForkaB

Re:Would this type of thinking make GCA.com a better place?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2005, 01:50:30 PM »
Yes.

But it's tough to admit that your opinions are just that, rather than gospel truth.....