Tom Doak had a great idea on the Shackelford thread.
Can we put forth a better list of appropriate architects for the 2007 list?
I'd like to see if it can be done...
I'll update this main list with an addendum of our suggested architect in bold.
I suggest we could even submit it as a letter to the editor from GCA.

Top 100 Courses in the World
2005 Rank / 2003 Rank / Course Name / Location / Architect(s)*  

1  1  Pine Valley  Clementon, NJ  Crump/Colt, 1918
1  1  Pine Valley  Clementon, NJ  Crump/Colt, 1921  

2  2  Cypress Point  Pebble Beach, CA  Mackenzie, 1928; Egan
2  2  Cypress Point  Pebble Beach, CA  MacKenzie, 1928

3  6  St. Andrews (Old Course)  St. Andrews, Scotland  15th century  

3  9  Muirfield  Gullane, Scotland  T. Morris, 1891; Colt, Simpson  

4  6  Shinnecock Hills  Southampton, NY  Flynn, 1931  

5  4  Augusta National  Augusta, GA  Mackenzie/Bobby Jones, 1932  

7  3  Pebble Beach  Pebble Beach, CA  Neville/Grant, 1919; Egan  

8  10  Royal Melbourne (Composite)  Melbourne, Australia  Mackenzie/Russell, 1926  

9  7  Pinehurst (No. 2)  Pinehurst, NC  D. Ross, 1935  

10  8  Royal County Down  Newcastle, Northern Ireland  T. Morris, 1889; Dunn, Vardon  

11  12  Sand Hills  Mullen, NE  Coore/Crenshaw, 1995  

12  14  Royal Portrush (Dunluce)  Portrush, Northern Ireland  Colt, 1929  

13  11  Ballybunion (Old)  Ballybunion, Ireland  Murphy, 1906; Simpson, Gourlay  

14  13  Merion (East)  Ardmore, PA  H. Wilson, 1912  

15  16  Oakmont  Oakmont, PA  Fownes, 1903  

16  15  Royal Dornoch  Dornoch, Scotland  T. Morris, 1886; Sutherland, Duncan  

17  18  Turnberry (Ailsa)  Turnberry, Scotland  P.M. Ross, 1906  

18  19  Winged Foot (West)  Mamaroneck, NY  Tillinghast, 1923  

19  26  Pacific Dunes  Bandon, OR  Doak, 2001  

20  23  National Golf Links of America  Southampton, NY  Macdonald, 1911  

21  28  Kingston Heath  Cheltenham, Australia  Soutar, 1925; Mackenzie  

22  17  Seminole  North Palm Beach, FL  D. Ross, 1929; D. Wilson  

23  21  Prairie Dunes  Hutchinson, KS  Maxwell, 1935  

24  24  Crystal Downs  Frankfort, MI  Mackenzie/Maxwell, 1929  

25  25  Oakland Hills (South)  Bloomfield Hills, MI  D. Ross, 1917; R.T. Jones Sr.  

26  22  Carnoustie (Championship)  Carnoustie, Scotland  Robertson, 1842; T. Morris, Park, Braid  

27  20  San Francisco  San Francisco, CA  Tillinghast, 1915  

28  29  Royal Birkdale  Southport, England  Lowe, 1889; Hawtree/Taylor  

29  30  Fishers Island  Fishers Island, NY  Raynor, 1917  

30  45  Bethpage (Black)  Farmingdale, NY  Tillinghast, 1936; Rees Jones  

31  31  Chicago  Wheaton, IL  Macdonald, 1895; Raynor  

32  27  Royal St. George's  Sandwich, England  Purves, 1887; Mackenzie, Pennink, Steel  

33  33  The Country Club (Championship)  Brookline, MA  Campbell, 1895; Flynn, Rees Jones  

34  35  Casa de Campo (Teeth of Dog)  La Romana, Dominican Republic  P. Dye, 1971  

35  41  Hirono  Kobe, Japan  Alison, 1932  

37  36  Riviera  Pacific Palisades, CA  Thomas/Bell,1926; T. Fazio, Crenshaw, Coore  
37  36  Riviera  Pacific Palisades, CA  Thomas/W.P. Bell,1927

37  39  Muirfield Village  Dublin, OH  Nicklaus/Muirhead, 1974  

38  40  Royal Troon (Old)  Troon, Scotland  Fernie, 1878; Braid  

39  32  Olympic (Lake)  San Francisco, CA  Reid, 1917; Whiting, R.T. Jones Sr.  

40  34  Portmarnock  Portmarnock, Ireland  G. Ross/Pickeman, 1894; Hawtree  

41  44  Southern Hills  Tulsa, OK  Maxwell, 1935  

42  37  Oak Hill (East)  Rochester, NY  D. Ross, 1926; R.T. Jones Sr, G. & T. Fazio  

43  47  New South Wales  La Perouse, Australia  Mackenzie, 1928  

44  36  Sunningdale (Old)  Sunningdale, England  W. Park, 1901; Colt  

45  38  Baltusrol (Lower)  Springfield, NJ  Tillinghast, 1922; R.T. Jones Sr.  

46  43  Woodhall Spa  Woodhall Spa, England  Vardon, 1905; Colt, Hotchkin, Hutchison  

47  54  Morfontaine  Senlis, France  Simpson, 1927  

48  48  The Golf Club  New Albany, OH  P. Dye, 1967  

49   Kauri Cliffs  Kaeo, New Zealand  Harmon, 2000  

50  80  Royal Adelaide  Adelaide, Australia  Gardiner, 1904; Mackenzie  

51  63  Shoreacres  Lake Bluff, IL  Raynor, 1919  

52  53  Medinah (No. 3)  Medinah, IL  Bendelow, 1928; Collis, Rulewich, Rees Jones  

53  50  Whistling Straits (Straits)  Haven, WI  P. Dye, 1998  

54  49  Royal Lytham & St. Annes  Lytham St. Annes, England  Lowe, 1886  

55  57  Garden City  Garden City, NY  Emmet, 1898; Travis  

56  52  Loch Lomond  Luss, Scotland  Weiskopf/Morrish, 1994  

57  56  TPC at Sawgrass (Stadium)  Ponte Vedra Beach, FL  P. Dye, 1981  

58  64  Inverness  Toledo, OH  D. Ross, 1919; G. & T. Fazio, Hills  

59  61  Los Angeles (North)  Los Angeles, CA  Thomas, 1921  

60  65  Maidstone  East Hampton, NY  W. & J. Park, 1891; Tucker  

61  62  Quaker Ridge  Scarsdale, NY  Tillinghast, 1926; R.T. Jones Sr.  

62  71  Ganton  Ganton, England  T. Dunn 1891; Colt, Cotton  

63  51  Camargo  Cincinnati, OH  Raynor, 1921  

65  46  Kingsbarns  St. Andrews, Scotland  Phillips, 1999  

66  59  Winged Foot (East)  Mamaroneck, NY  Tillinghast, 1923  

67  75  Harbour Town  Hilton Head Island, SC  P. Dye/Nicklaus, 1969  

68  93  Cabo del Sol (Ocean)  Los Cabos, Mexico  Nicklaus, 1994  

69  79  Somerset Hills  Bernardsville, NJ  Tillinghast, 1917  

70  89  Durban  Durban, South Africa  Waters/Waterman, 1922; Hotchkin  

71  64  Cape Breton Highlands (Links)  Ingonish Beach, Nova Scotia Canada  Thompson, 1935; Cooke
71  64  Cape Breton Highlands (Links)  Ingonish Beach, Nova Scotia Canada  Thompson, 1935

71  72  Scioto  Columbus, OH  D. Ross, 1916; D. Wilson  

72  66  Royal Liverpool  Hoylake, England  G. Morris/Chambers, 1869; Pennink  

73  67  Lahinch  Lahinch, Ireland  T. Morris, 1893; Gibson, Mackenzie  

74  70  Bandon Dunes  Bandon, OR  Kidd, 1999  

75  60  Naruo  Osaka, Japan  Crane, 1904; Alison  

76  55  Cruden Bay  Cruden Bay, Scotland  Fowler/Simpson, 1926  

77  87  Valderrama  Sotogrande, Spain  R.T. Jones Sr., 1975  

78  73  Wentworth (West)  Virginia Water, England  Colt/Morrison, 1924  

79   Kiawah Island (Ocean)  Kiawah Island, SC  P. Dye, 1991  

80  58  Kawana (Fuji)  Kawana, Japan  Alison/Fujita, 1936  

81  74  Spyglass Hill  Pebble Beach, CA  R.T. Jones Sr., 1966  

82  95  St. George's  Etobicoke, Ontario Canada  Thompson, 1929; Robinson  
82  95  St. George's  Etobicoke, Ontario Canada  Thompson, 1929; Robinson  


82  81  Walton Heath (Old)  Tadworth, England  Fowler, 1904  

83  76  World Woods (Pine Barrens)  Brooksville, FL  T. Fazio, 1993  

84  77  Ocean Forest  Sea Island, GA  Rees Jones, 1995  

85  94  Valley Club of Montecito  Santa Barbara, CA  Mackenzie/Hunter, 1928  

86  92  Congressional (Blue)  Bethesda, MD  Emmet, 1924; R.T. Jones Sr., Rees Jones  

87  85  Peachtree  Atlanta, GA  R.T. Jones Sr./Bobby Jones, 1948  

88  88  Wade Hampton  Cashiers, NC  T. Fazio, 1987  

89  68  Shadow Creek  North Las Vegas, NV  T. Fazio, 1989  

90  84  Cherry Hills  Cherry Hills Village, CO  Flynn, 1923  

91  99  Baltimore (Five Farms East)  Lutherville, MD  Tillinghast, 1926; Silva  

92   Yeamans Hall  Hanahan, SC  Raynor, 1925  

93  78  El Saler  Valencia, Spain  Arana, 1967  

94  83  Homestead (Cascades)  Hot Springs, VA  Flynn, 1923  

95  96  St. George's  Etobicoke, Ontario Canada  Thompson, 1929; Robinson  

96  82  The Honors Course  Ooltewah, TN  P. Dye, 1984  

97  90  East Lake  Atlanta, GA  Bendelow, 1910; D. Ross, Cobb, Rees Jones  

98   European Club  Brittas Bay, Ireland  Ruddy, 1992  

99  95  Paraparaumu Beach  Paraparaumu, New Zealand  Russell, 1949  

100  98  Colonial  Fort Worth, TX  Bredemus, 1935; Maxwell  

* Architect(s); Year opened for play; Redesign architect(s)  

4  6  Shinnecock Hills  Southampton, NY  Flynn, 1931  

Mike,

When Flynn re-designed this course, he left intact C.B. Macdonald's "Redan" 7th. Therefore, a little credit should be thrown his way. I'm not too sure if any other holes were incorporated into the present Shinnecock Hills course.

TK

Do Hugh Wilson and his brother get some credit for the last 4 holes.  I have read that Crump had only roughly sketched out those holes before he died.  So, did Hugh Wilson and his brother simply build the last holes following Crump's plan, or did they design or modify them in the field?

Tyler,

For me, effecting or designing two golf holes on a course doesn't make one a co-designer (speaking from experience).

I'll go with Crump/Colt

The club history says it opened in 1921.

Graham Cooke should have his name removed from Highlands Links. The only thing he did there was add the world's worst cart paths and badly rework a few bunkers. Is that enough to get one's name on a Top 100 course? Our own Ian Andrew reworked all of St. George's bunkers (82 on the list), but since he didn't lobby to have his name added, there's no mention. Ian will argue that he shouldn't be mentioned -- it was an attempted restoration, after all.

Maybe Tom has some feelings on architects getting their names added to courses for restoration work. It makes sense to me if one adds a couple of holes or completely reworks the greens -- but if one is just trying to take the course back to where it started, why should their name be on the list?

Boy is this going to be a long and fun thread I predict!!

It may turn out to be a huge can of worms.

Right off the bat we have problems...

What to do....Crump/Colt/Tillinghast/Thomas/Wilson, H./Wilson, A./Maxwell/Fazio

Who else?  How about the guy who

Great idea, though, Mr. Nuzzo, I was thinking about starting a similar thread myself.  I think this ought to be kept orderly, though, by there only being ONE THREAD, and you have become the honorary mediator.

A lot of good and TRUTH will probably come of this thread, and that will be a good thing.  I have a book that lists the following for Augusta.

Cobb, Maxwell, RTJones, Tom and George Fazio, Joseph Finger, Byron Nelson, Jay Morrish, Bob Cupp, Scott Miller and Nicklaus all have touched her, allegedly.

Just my two bits.  

Signed

The spirit of Dave Burbeck

Tyler,

What makes you believe that Flynn left intact Macdonald and Raynor's seventh hole at Shinnecock?  Every green on the course is a Flynn and there is archival proof.

Wayne,

I had always heard that was the case, however, your the one doing the research on Flynn and have the proof to dispell that rumour. On the contrary, I'll quote from George Bahto's The Evangelist of Golf (pg. 185), "Shinnecock Hills was once redesigned by Macdonald and Raynor. Six holes of their original work, including the SEVENTH GREEN, remain to this day".

 
 
TK

Tyler,

Information that George may not have considered when he made that conclusion and other materials that have surfaced since George make that conclusion entirely incorrect.

The first tee is behind the Macdonald-Raynor tee and two former greenside bunkers became fairway bunkers well short of Flynn's green.  The second green is in the same location as the Macdonald-Raynor 12th but the angle of approach is different and the green and bunkering is completely original.  The hole that closest resembled a Macdonald-Raynor hole after Flynn completed his work is the third.  The Flynn tee is on the left of the second green, the M-R tee was on the right side of the old 12th.  The 3rd green is in the same spot but was completely redesigned and rebuilt even though the squarish fill pad can still be seen.  The bunkering, though quite different used some of the M-R locations.  Flynn built a different tee to the left of the M-R tee on 7 and the 7th green, while in the same location, was completely revised as was the entire bunker scheme.  Flynn's 8th green is in the same location as the M-R 17th (Road hole) but the approach was from a very different direction (110 degrees or more) and the green and greenside bunkering was completely remodeled.  The 9th tee is about the same as the M-R tee and the 9th green is in the same location but the green profile was lowered and saddled into the hillside and completely rebuilt.  There are no other current holes with any commonality to the M-R design.

Wayne,

It just strikes me as odd that Flynn would replace an original Macdonald/Raynor redan green with one of his very own. Why go to all the effort and expense to re-design what was likely a sound hole architecturally speaking with the resultant effort being very similar conceptually?

I'm not questioning your proof, just wondering if you could shed some light on Flynn's reasoning.

TK

Tyler,

I don't know for certain, I doubt anybody could at this point.  I will hazard an educated guess.  Flynn's variation of a Redan is his own.  There is more of a steep runup to the green like the 7th at Phila Country and the 3rd at Huntingdon Valley.  He liked the concept of a Redan but departed from it...it was more of an aerial shot as the runup was much more steep and difficult.  The M-R version at SHGC was more on the grade of the ridge at the location.  Flynn wanted it built higher.  It has some of the characteristics of a Redan but was part of a general transition to a more modern approach with aerial and ground shot demands within the course's golf demands.  It helps to think of Flynn as a transition architect.  He did not turn his back on the ground game--he was influenced by the 50:50 variety of aerial and ground demands at Merion and Pine Valley.  Flynn felt that it was important to test a greater variety of shots...ground and aerial.  This is my guess as to why he changed it.  He probably wanted to make everything his own and part of his overall integrated product.

Tyler,

If you rebuild/redesign an entire course you build 18 new greens from scratch for consistancy of the growing conditions and your design preferences. He may have kept the concept, but I would be very certain that the green is Flynn.

It's like the 2nd hole at Banff is the same location as the Ross par three, but I garantee with Thompson's personality, he regraded the green and redid the bunkers for the hole to be exactly what he wanted. Thompson (through comments from Robbie and Geoff) very rarely ever took any imput from his associates. Why would he leave another architects work in place, rather than tweak what he liked to his vision of the best hole. The only place I know where Thompson left greens was Cataraqui, but this had to do with not getting paid and refusing to come on site beyond a certain date. The holes that remained were to be changed, but remained unfinished in the end.

"Any restoration work, renovation work that does not involve new holes (not one hole either) should not get credited. There are too many names on a few credits.

ie. Rees Jones at Bethpage Black....No

Too much credit is already given for little effort (Cooke is the best example I know - codesign for cart paths and ruining bunkers I don't think so)."

Ian
If they rebunkered a significant number of holes (or if they left something completely new and improved or especially egregious..and it might be a single hole)...I believe they should be given credit if its good or bad...the bad is listed until someone can restore the courses properly...then their name comes off.

I look at this from the perspective a young student of golf architecture, a newcomer interested in studying the great works. He should be made aware that there are a certain degree of non-Tillinghast (Rees) and non-Thompson (Cooke) features at Bethpage and Cape Breton.

Quaker Ridge: JD Dunn, Tillinghast/Low, Hochster, RTJ, Rees Jones

Hopefully, after QR is properly restored the last two names come off.

I might lean toward listing the architect who had the most impact on the course first, not necessarily listing the architects in chronological order. For example Thomas first at LACC in 1927, then Fowler (1921), and so on. At GCGC Travis (1907-1912) first, followed by Emmet in 1899 & 1927, Tillinghast, RTJ and Doak.

Wayne
What is know of the original Redan green at Shinnecock(M&R)...other than the bunkering how does Flynn's green differ from M&R's original?

This is kind of sad that we have to do Golf Magazine's job for them. Time Warner certainly can afford to fact check. Especially since most of the mistakes could be corrected using Google or The Architects of Golf.

Tom Doak, I've had a chance to go through correspondences on Cypress Point, and with all due respect to the people you listed as examples, Hunter's influence entailed a lot more than running the job on site (particularly in the final routing stage, which was not a pretty battle). And while we're on the subject, George Thomas "ran the job" for Fowler at LACC in 1920-21 and will almost always be credited, as he should be.

You do agree that Mike Clayton should have been credited on Barnbougle Dunes, right? I seem to recall it was announced as a co-design?