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Shennecossett- good value, good stuff!
« on: August 08, 2005, 11:07:33 AM »
Played Shennecossett this past weekend with Dr. G. Childs..

Only hiccup was a slow round 4hrs 45 mins and that might have been caused by the club championship in front of us. We had 2 members playing a match with us who were both 20 handicaps.  It was amazing to watch, the chili dips, wild drives etc.. it was a see saw affair.. but I digress..


Shennecossett is a wonderful, eclectic muni.  It is maintained especially well for a muni or any course for that matter.  It was firm, fast, brown and had wonderful native roughs grown around it.  It played very much and looked very much like a links course--being so close to Block Island/Fishers Island Sound helps as well!

I'm sure it has been talked about here but the course was changed a few years back due to a land swap b/t Pfizer and the town of Groton Ct.  Mark Mungeam came in and built 4 new holes (9th,15-17th), expanded the 18th into a par 5 and changed a few other holes to existing greens (5th, 8th I was told).  Anyway, things I really liked--

1st hole- Is a short, gentle Ross handshake that doglegs left.  The green is uphill and distances are camaflouged nicely by the bunkering scheme.  I should know, I airmailed the green despite a good shot.

2nd hole- Very quirky due to a burn and a private railroad that bisect it. Has a very offensive tree hanging from a neighbor's property right in the line of a good tee shot from the box. Please get it cut!

3rd hole- Semi blind second shot which can use the landform slope before it to be run in perfectly to a canted green. Is a very challenging shot with OB left and in back of the green!

4th hole- A terrific par 3!  Uphill 208 yards to a skyline green flanked with bunkers.  There are 2 trees in back of the green I guess protecting a tee that if they came out would make this hole sublime.



5th hole- Cool par 5 with cross bunkers.


8th hole- Easily reachable short par 5 that Mungeam also reconstituted.  Has 3 center fairway bunkers that were pretty cool and used to be on the right side of a previous hole.



9th hole- one of the new holes.. mid iron par 3 to an okay green but not as wild as several of the past ones I had played.

10th hole- My favorite hole and the best looking one on the course.  Dog legs left and then back up to a slightly plateau green with a great back right sucker pin. Well bunkered throughout and a nice rolling fairway.  Notice the gun platform tee (great feature) on the 14th hole too.  The green here is a Ross special and is like a wavy potato chip. Great stuff to putt on.



12th hole- Another dandy short par 3.. only a wee pitch or 9 iron but its elevated nature makes it very distorted to judge and one worries about being too short and watching their ball rush down the hill.. Needs some tree cutting on the right though to show more of the bunker there.



13- Wonderful links hole again. Terrific approach shot.. Great sloping green.



Holes 15-17 are the new Mungeam holes on land that used to have tennis courts and horseshoe pits.  It abuts the water right by the entrance into Fishers Island Sound. Very beautiful shades of blue/green were seen to my eyes.  The lavish Griswold Inn which went bankrupt and used to be where people stayed when playing the course when it was a country club used to be on this land as well.

The 15th is a 190ish yard par 3.  It looks Ross like to me but the green was again like the 9th--not as wild as some of the original ones.  Still a fine hole that my playing partner thought looked a bit reverse redanish from the tee.



No. 16 is the money shot and the prettiest hole on the course due to the water views.  A very good par 4 that bends left with excellent bunkering in the corner of the dogleg.  You tee off from wetlands and try to shorten the hole.  Green is sloped back to front but again lacks some of the internal contour of the Ross originals.  Still a very good golf hole, the most in character of the new holes (despite the wetland tee).


#17 short par 4 of 345 yards where you tee off with the water behind you ( a 100 yards away or so) and wetlands on the right prevent you from pulling the driver out with confidence.  Hole looks the least links like at Shenny due to the wetlands effect.. Green is elevated a the pic shows.



18-short par 4 was stretched to 500 yards and now par 5.  Hole rises to a crest and then drops semi abruptly to a new green by Mungeam.  I think it is a good short par 5 but one of the members said it may be shortened into a long par 4.

Overall Shenny was a wonderful golf course, plenty of room to play (except in a few spots near the property line) and a terrific maintenance meld.  It again dispels that Connecticut is golf poor.  For $40 walking on a Saturday, precious few are greater values in golf--for Ross and links!





« Last Edit: August 08, 2005, 03:26:03 PM by NAF »

Donnie Beck

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Re:Shennecossett- good value, good stuff!
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2005, 11:15:00 AM »
I have heard that when Shenny was private it had 169 bunkers. Most have been filled since the town took over, but it is still as far as I know Ross's only links course. Shenny was my home course growning up..  It is where I learned to play so I am very fond of it..

Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2005, 11:50:31 AM »
Links like some interesting stuff.  Does it get overlooked because it's public/muni?

it is still as far as I know Ross's only links course.

What people consider as "links" varies for different people, but what about Seminole?

Geoffrey Childs

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2005, 12:06:00 PM »
Good summary Noel

I REALLY enjoyed myself playing Shennecossett.  It lets you play golf where excellent recoveries after misguided shots create excitement and very difficult but realistic shot making opportunities.  

Some of those greens are vertually unpinable do to the slopes.  Noel did not mention that the par 3 4th hole has a turtle backed green that falls off some 20 feet if you miss.

I would gladly have Shennecossett as my home course if I lived close by. Get up there if you are in the area.

Scott- Seminole is supurb and with wind and playing firm and fast as it was the last time I was there it is amazing but it is not links-like IMHO.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2005, 12:07:17 PM by Geoffrey Childs »

Cliff Hamm

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2005, 12:11:15 PM »
Nice review...Shenny is one of my favorites.  For those not from the area playing Shenny and Triggs (Providence - a bit over an hour away) makes a great 2 days of golf on Ross munis.  Not sure which is the better course althoug, Triggs plays tougher.  They both belong on anyone's list of quality affordable golf, especailly for the northeast.

Cliff

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Shennecossett- good value, good stuff!
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2005, 12:21:23 PM »
Geoffrey,

Do you consider Shennecossett to be links-like?  At least Seminole is sand-based and next to the ocean.  Wouldn't surprise me if the land were unfit for farming, too....

Geoffrey Childs

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2005, 12:31:47 PM »
Scott

Shennecossett is not links golf either.  It is probably much akin to what many old golf courses built on treeless properties were once like. The fact that it is just adjacent to the water, was firm and fast, open with pretty playable fescues makes it appear to be what some think as links.

Scott_Burroughs

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2005, 12:49:44 PM »
Donnie's point was probably about there being so few Ross courses on large bodies of salt water, but it's interesting that with both Seminole and Shennecossett, they are (or were) amongst the most heavily-bunkered of all Ross courses, along with Ravisloe.

The Google aerial of Shenny has only half of the course available in high-res, but it still has a good number of bunkers.

Is Groton pronounced with the first syllable rhyming with Scott?  The town of Groton in NY is pronounced that way.

Dan_Callahan

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Re:Shennecossett- good value, good stuff!
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 02:37:32 PM »
Here's two other pictures from the back 9:



The new 16th green sits above the Long Island Sound. It is very open to winds coming off the water.



The 18th is a very short par 5, with the second part of the hole playing downhill. The green is framed by some attractive brown, wispy grass. The back of the green has a severe drop to thick rough below.

I'll post some more pictures when I have a chance. I agree with the previous comments that Shennecossett is the best value in the state. Pace of play can be an issue, and there are a two long par 4s with parallel fairways that create a shooting gallery problem, but there are very few complaints otherwise.

Mike_Sweeney

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 03:21:39 PM »
Thanks for posting these. Shenny looks really fun to play, and I would like to get there soon.

hick

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 04:26:10 PM »
 Howdy,for a side trip take the highspeed to block island  from New London, and i will gladly take any on an island tour. sorry no golf.

Chris Pike

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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 04:59:14 PM »
The conditioning at Shenny looks very good, especially when compared to other muni courses in the Northeast.  Instead of paying $175 to play Lake of Isles, I would rather pay $40 to play Shenny, and blow the other $130 at one of the area casinos (Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun).  Not that Lake of Isles is bad, but I just like to gamble...

Also, take Mat up on his offer and go tour Block Island.  Since a good portion of that island is protected from development, no golf course will ever be built on it.  However, the natural topography is a golf architect's dream...lots of gently rolling hills, high bluffs, and ocean views from just about anywhere on the island.
"Golf is a game in which you yell Fore, shoot six and write down five."  -Paul Harvey

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