News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Matt_Ward

The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« on: July 25, 2005, 10:36:15 AM »
I read the latest issues of both magazines and I found it disturbing that a feature article on the quality courses that exist along historic Rte 66 didn't include BlackMesa in the Sante Fe area but saw fit to mention thelocal muini courseinthevicinity calledMartySanchez.

Did the writer fail to checkwith Digest files and see that Black Mesa was selected by Digest asanationalaward winner in the "best new affordable" catergory just a few seasons ago?

Then you have the laughable selections by Golf Magazine in itscurrent issue highlighting the upcoming PGA Championship at Baltusrol and they mentioned a few public courses worthy of a look. They mentioned Flanders Valley (Morris County) -- an above average 36-hole complex but then saw fit to include Francis Bryne and Ash Brook-- both muni's owned by Essex and Union counties respectively with the former in need of a major makeover and the latter an average course with some good holes.

Did the writer fail to understand that Morris has en even better layout in Sunset Valley which is considerably closer to Baltusrol -- or the wonderful combination of layouts you can play in Somerset -- no less than five (5). From the daily fee side you have the first rate complex at Crystal Springs -- no further away than Flanders Valley from the event.

I would hope both magazines would at least scan / fact check their items -- especially since visiting readers may take to heart their conclusions.

A_Clay_Man

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2005, 12:01:04 PM »
Matt, I'm not sure where the old route 66 runs, and it's proximity to Black Mesa. And, I'm not sure of the Jersey course, but perhaps the article was written for the 29 handicapper?

Do 3 handicappers read?


Andy Hughes

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2005, 12:46:04 PM »
Matt,
Not sure if this came up elsewhere and I missed it, and yes this is OT, but is your publication available on line yet?

Andy
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Rick Shefchik

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2005, 05:28:27 PM »
It winds from Chicago to L.A., more than 2,000 miles all the way...

Now you go through Saint Louie; Joplin, Missouri; and Oklahoma City is mighty pretty. You see Amarillo; Gallup, New Mexico; Flagstaff, Arizona (don't forget Winona); Kingman, Barstow, San Bernandino...

If you ever plan to motor west, travel my way, take the highway that's the best. Get your kicks on Route sixty-six.

"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Paul Richards

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2005, 08:08:49 PM »
Matt

I'll go you one further.

It now takes me five (5) minutes to 'read' (leaf) through Golf Digest and Golf.

No more time is needed anymore to get through these "fluff" magazines anymore.

When I'm done, I hand them to a co-worker (ex-subscriber) who goes through them in even less time.

 :-[

Since my subscriptions run through abou 2009, I will keep scanning through them for now ....


 :'(
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Craig Van Egmond

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2005, 08:18:14 PM »

Paul,
 
   I with you on this one.. my GD subscription expired in May (after 10 years?) and my Golf subscription ends in a couple of months.  I also used to get Golf Tips and Golf World.

   Now its down to Golf Week and Links.


Tom_Doak

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2005, 09:45:53 PM »
Wow, with no one reading either magazine any more, it's amazing the threads about the rankings take up so much room.  GOLF's are due out soon, too.

Matt, you're right that those two articles omitted some better courses, but those little "travel feature" articles near the back of the big magazines have never been particularly complete, in my experience.  They seem to be included almost as an afterthought.

George_Bahto

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2005, 09:52:21 PM »
"I'll go you one further" etc  .....

I let both subscriptions lapse 4 years ago ..gb
If a player insists on playing his maximum power on his tee-shot, it is not the architect's intention to allow him an overly wide target to hit to but rather should be allowed this privilege of maximum power except under conditions of exceptional skill.
   Wethered & Simpson

Paul Richards

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2005, 10:29:59 PM »
Tom

>GOLF's are due out soon, too.

I'm very excited.

 ::)


Can't wait to see what those 85 guys come up with this time.

 ;)


After reading the list, I'll leaf through the rest of the magazine, give it to my ex-subscriber friend, and it will end up on the floor with all of the other refuse from the day ....

 :-[
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Doug Braunsdorf

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2005, 10:49:14 PM »


Then you have the laughable selections by Golf Magazine in itscurrent issue highlighting the upcoming PGA Championship at Baltusrol and they mentioned a few public courses worthy of a look. They mentioned Flanders Valley (Morris County) -- an above average 36-hole complex but then saw fit to include Francis Bryne and Ash Brook-- both muni's owned by Essex and Union counties respectively with the former in need of a major makeover and the latter an average course with some good holes.

Did the writer fail to understand that Morris has en even better layout in Sunset Valley which is considerably closer to Baltusrol -- or the wonderful combination of layouts you can play in Somerset -- no less than five (5). From the daily fee side you have the first rate complex at Crystal Springs -- no further away than Flanders Valley from the event.

I would hope both magazines would at least scan / fact check their items -- especially since visiting readers may take to heart their conclusions.

Matt-

  Good observation.  I thought the same thing; 'there are a lot more courses within a short drive of Baltusrol that would/should merit inclusion in the article'.  NJ has a lot to offer.  
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction."

Matt_Ward

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2005, 11:49:59 AM »
Doug:

You may want to see the new Neshanic Valley layout in Somerset County -- I'm really surprised that the Golf Mag article didn't mention it. It's also the home of the new Callaway Testing Center.

The other courses you could visit along I-78 are also worthy of a mention but got no ink. Try Hawk's Pointe (soon to be private), Heron Glen in Hunterdon, The Architect's in Lopatcong Twsp and even better yet the stunning work of Kelly Blake Moran at Morgan Hill just on the other side of the Delaware in Pennsy.

I would think the "big two" golf mags would put a bit more effort in their travel recommendations. Clearly, those who have posted have indicated their own particular displeasure with what is stated within their pages.

Jim Sweeney

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2005, 04:29:59 PM »
Adam:

Route 6 through ABQ. is Central Avenue. Basically, from Amarillo, TX to Flagstaff, AZ (at least) it is now I-40.

By that measure, even MArty Sanchez doesn't really fall along Route 66- you might include Paa-Ko, Los Alltos, Sunport, UNM South, and Ladera in ABQ, and whatever is still open in Grants.
"Hope and fear, hope and Fear, that's what people see when they play golf. Not me. I only see happiness."

" Two things I beleive in: good shoes and a good car. Alligator shoes and a Cadillac."

Moe Norman

Doug Siebert

Re:The Digest / Golf Mag slippage ...
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2005, 12:48:24 AM »
Adam, Route 66 starts about 5 blocks dead east of me at Adams and Michigan Ave. and ends somewhere in Santa Monica.

It was originally a Par 47,591, but with technology, it's now just a simple par 42,826 for the Tour pros. ;D


Is that just the longer distance the ball travels or does it also take into effect the fact that the ball is also straighter, adding to the chance of turbo "cart path" bounces off Rte 66? ;D
My hovercraft is full of eels.

Tags: