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Kent Salisbury

Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« on: May 23, 2005, 12:09:17 PM »
Going to be out in Bandon on "opening weekend" of the Trails and will have the opportunity to play the sheep ranch on Sunday (6/5). I have not seen any pictures of the course, but wanted to get some people's opinion of the course and the experience.

Is is closer to Bandon, Pacific, or the new Trails course?

PThomas

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 12:11:45 PM »
welcome Kent!

go to page 2, there's a thread about halfway down on Sheep Ranch started by Joel Stewart

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199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 12:49:52 PM »
Sheep Ranch aka BallyBandon is north of Pacific Dunes out on
the point.  Taken from the north looking south, you can see
the northernmost holes of PD (12-15, 3-4) at upper right:


Bill Gayne

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 01:03:11 PM »
I continue read posts that refer to the Sheep Ranch as a "golf course." I think I even read someone suggest that it should be ranked.

What constitutes the minimum requirements to be a "golf course." To me the Sheep Ranch appears to be nothing more than 13 greens scattered across the land. More of an elaborate practice area than "golf course."

Mike_Cirba

Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 01:04:13 PM »

Is is closer to Bandon, Pacific, or the new Trails course?


It's closer to Heaven.

Mike Erdmann

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 01:08:09 PM »
Kent, the Sheep Ranch is a great experience, but don't get your expectations too high for the golf course.  Really, it's a collection of 13 greens spread around the property.  There are no 'defined' fairways or routing plan, it's just a matter of choosing the next green you want to play to and hit away.  Conditions are very, very rough and the terrain is pretty flat and lacks the dramatic movement found at the two resort courses.  But it's a great experience . . . . you're playing everything by feel since there are no yardage markers, match play is really the only way to play it, and the view from the 'E' green is nothing short of spectacular.    At least, that's the way it used to be a couple years ago when I played it last.  We had to drive around the course in a Suburban just putting flagsticks out and were the only ones on the course.  Now I understand you can make tee times and somebody posted something a week or two ago about scorecards being used for the Sheep Ranch, so the experience may have changed completely.  If a bunch of groups are on the course at the same time, and if you have to play a pre-determined routing, much of the charm will be gone.  I don't know if that's the case, but I'll be playing the Sheep Ranch next Thursday, so I'll find out for myself.

ed_getka

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 01:13:02 PM »
Scott,
   I think you missed a few routing permutations. ;) Thanks for posting that, I had not seen that picture before.
   I'm still debating whether to tear myself away from the other courses to go take a look. Hopefully pace of play won't be too bad on the big courses so I will have a couple of hours one evening to go see the course that doesn't exist. David Kelly was telling me that after he had played it last year that he went in to the pro shop to see about getting a Sheep Ranch hat, and the guy in there insisted the course didn't exist. After going back and forth a few minutes the guy asked David how he had heard about it, and David replied he had just finished golfing on it!
« Last Edit: May 23, 2005, 01:15:18 PM by ed_getka »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Joel_Stewart

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 01:14:51 PM »
This is what 80% of the course looks like.  There are dozens of white stakes which represents 150 yards to some particular green.  

I seriously doubt anyone else will be out there while you are there.  They don't have tee times.   You need to have your own transportation to get there as the Bandon Dunes staff will not drive you over.

Make sure you have your $75 in cash ready for Denny.  I doubt I would do it again but its an interesting experience.


Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 01:26:56 PM »
Scott,
   I think you missed a few routing permutations. ;) Thanks
for posting that, I had not seen that picture before.
 

Ed,

This is Mike Erdmann's rendering from about a year-and-a-
half ago, after George Pazin posted the pics of
BallyBandon/Sheep Ranch from the SI Golf Plus article late in
2003.  George's pics are no longer available on his web site,
otherwise I would have posted them in the last Sheep Ranch
thread.   Don't know if he still has the scanned pics laying
around  ;), an inquiry was not returned.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 01:40:59 PM »
My version of Heaven would be to have the Sheep Ranch as my back yard.  

I'd invite some friends over and we'd play all day long, or until eternity, whichever came first.

Bill Gayne asked what is the minimum requirements for a golf course.  Bill, I happen to believe the game is WAYYY over-complicated on many of our present courses and the Sheep Ranch is as close as one can possibly get to the game's origins.


Adam_Messix

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 02:55:49 PM »
Mike,

I couldn't agree with you more.

Sheep Ranch = Golfing Nirvana

George_Bahto

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 03:01:35 PM »
I think seeing and playing Sheep Ranch really puts our game in the proper perspective - a game meant to be “funner” than it is now, meaning go out and pick a target (green) and play to it, regardless of overall score. NO or Less pencil and card golf.

No yardage, all feel (and at Bandon that’s interesting) and no defined line of play, greens that will accept an approach from any angle (except the ocean). Match play at its bet.

It is one of the most unique courses in the world and, I for one, would love to see never change ........

Problem is how to make it work financially.  I personally think it can be done but it would probably work after all the courses were built at Bandon, Sheep Ranch being “the special” place offered.

When asked for my opinion, I offered that the additional holes to round off 18 be built in the wooded area and that these holes could be added/subtracted from the original 13 at the whim of the ownership for either a more formal layout or using just the 13 as the special layout.  (Hi-Rollers Only - hah)
If a player insists on playing his maximum power on his tee-shot, it is not the architect's intention to allow him an overly wide target to hit to but rather should be allowed this privilege of maximum power except under conditions of exceptional skill.
   Wethered & Simpson

Kent Salisbury

Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2005, 03:46:41 PM »
Thank you all. When I spoke with Denny, he said he limits play to @ 24 golfers a day for safety purposes. From the picture above, looks like it is a good idea. Tried to play on 6/2 after arriving from Philadelphia, but it looks like one of you may have beat me to the punch (already has 24 players for that day).

Well thanks again for the information. As a newbie, hopefully I can meet some of you in person in Bandon. I'll look for the shadiest group of men gathering in the pub.

ed_getka

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2005, 04:27:51 PM »
Kent,
  We will be at Bandon from 6/1-6/3 if you are there then and want to get together. Mike Erdmann will be there 6/1 evening and we are going to try to meet up.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

George Pazin

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2005, 05:02:20 PM »
Sorry, Scott, I had to take down the photos to be able to post some other ones for someone else. I'll try to repost them later.

In the meantime, I am wondering if there is a lawyer that will help me file suit against Tom D. He obviously stole my routing for the Sheep Ranch. I foolishly posted this on the site a few years ago and the similarities are unmistakable:



 :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

George Pazin

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2005, 05:19:39 PM »
This is the SI article on Sheep Ranch:











Enjoy.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

DMoriarty

Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2005, 07:12:17 PM »








Mike Benham

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2005, 08:15:27 PM »
This picture reminds me of the simpleness of many of the Scottish "munis" - Dunbar, Troon, etc. - and this is intended to be a compliment ...



"... and I liked the guy ..."

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2005, 08:37:21 PM »
This psycho-ness about SR is probably a classic example of deny-me-access-and-I-want-to-play-it-even-more.  Sure, to have this in our backyard would be the wish of any of us, but to speak of the SR on a same level as the three other courses is craziness.

I'll bet the architect, our own TD, if given unfettered access to PacDunes and the SR, would play Pac almost exclusively.  

Pac is a story, with lead in, climax and conclusion.  It is cohesive.  It has great theme.  It is a unique statement in America about links golf.  It has mega-flow.  It has world class holes.  It has subtleness.  It has drama.  It has suspense.  It is the Full Monte.

I hope each of you can go around SR at some time.  If there isn't one of you the doesn't come back and prefer Pac afterwards I'd be very surprised.

Who wants to see a mature Fir or Spruce after seeing an ancient Redwood.

JC

PThomas

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2005, 08:58:59 PM »
now Dave, is that par 17 before or after cocktails......
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Mike Erdmann

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2005, 10:08:35 PM »
Here's some more photos of the Sheep Ranch.  These from October of 2003.  


















« Last Edit: May 23, 2005, 10:10:07 PM by Mike Erdmann »

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2005, 10:52:34 PM »
 ;D

Some secret this place is.  No one knows about it.   ::)

Thanks, George (and Mike and David).

Bill Gayne

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2005, 07:15:11 AM »
Mike,

I appreciate your reply. It is a rather uncomplicated view of the game that a golf course is any place that embraces and celebrates the spirit of the game and requires the hitting of the ball from point A to B.

Bill

PThomas

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Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2005, 09:07:40 AM »
great photos Mike, thanks!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Mike_Cirba

Re:Bandon's Sheep Ranch Course
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2005, 09:11:04 AM »
Mike,

I appreciate your reply. It is a rather uncomplicated view of the game that a golf course is any place that embraces and celebrates the spirit of the game and requires the hitting of the ball from point A to B.

Bill

Bill,

Thanks...it reminded me of the simplistic attractions that first drew me to the game as a kid.  The word "freedom" comes to mind.  

In an age of provider imposed "service" and everything from cart paths to GPS to titanium clubs, it's nice to be reminded that those things are complicating distractions.