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Steve_ Shaffer

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Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« on: April 16, 2005, 04:49:28 PM »
From the Las Vegas Review-Journal:

New Wynn golf course has classic, old-style feel

Well-known designer Fazio describes challenges of exclusive facility set to open April 29

By TODD DEWEY
REVIEW-JOURNAL

He designed Shadow Creek, which has been regarded as one of the top golf courses in the world since opening in 1989 in North Las Vegas.

He oversaw renovations at historic Augusta National Golf Club before the 2002 Masters and has more credits on Golf Digest's list of America's 100 Greatest Golf Courses than any other living designer.

In fact, the Golf Digest poll for Best Modern Day Golf Course Architect was discontinued after Tom Fazio won the award three straight times.

Fazio, who spoke at a luncheon at Bellagio on Thursday (the Stephens Inc. fifth annual Fixed Income Investment Symposium), recently completed his second collaboration with casino developer Steve Wynn -- Wynn golf course, which is located behind Wynn Las Vegas and is set to open April 29.

Fazio and Wynn also joined forces on Shadow Creek.

"It's very different than Shadow Creek. Shadow Creek is 100 acres larger in size than Wynn," Fazio said. "Wynn will be a classic, old-style golf course. There will be distinctive golf holes and the feeling of separation of holes.

"Shadow Creek tried to disguise the outside environment, because there's not much around it. But Wynn will have a distinctive, unique feeling of an urban environment, like the Bel-Air (Country Club) in Los Angeles. On a lot of holes, people will say it reminds them of Bel-Air."

Fazio, who has been designing golf courses for 40 years, kept more than 1,000 trees from the old Desert Inn course the Wynn is replacing, but everything else will be new on the par-70, 7,042-yard layout.

"The only thing that stayed was the trees, and one bridge we saved and put back," Fazio said. "The big, gigantic trees we couldn't move, we left those. The rest that we could remove we put in a nursery.

"Then we went in and graded the property and created 30 to 40 feet of elevation changes, and then we put the trees back. It's a new golf course, with new elevation, and old trees."

Fazio, who knew the old Desert Inn track well, has surprised himself with how dramatically different the course looks.

"We took out the grass and created new streams and new lakes. I'm still in awe and amazed we actually did it," Fazio said. "It's so special. If anyone has ever been there before, they'd say it's certainly not where the old golf course was. They'd never believe it.

"It is a totally different elevation. One thing we also did was create a waterscape, with streams and lakes, that takes the golfer's vision and moves it down to the golf course and not up in the sky, because in the sky is obviously downtown buildings."

Fazio said the final four holes will be the most dramatic on the exclusive course, which will only be open to hotel guests.

"The major thing is a big waterfall behind the 18th green, where we recirculate tens of thousands of gallons of water. As you leave the green, you walk under the waterfall to get to the clubhouse," he said. "There's beauty and drama. There's flowers, trees, shrubs and perfect grass. It's like a dream come true."
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Paul Richards

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2005, 07:01:49 AM »
>"The major thing is a big waterfall behind the 18th green..."


"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

SPDB

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 01:04:27 PM »
Fazio, who spoke at a luncheon at Bellagio on Thursday (the Stephens Inc. fifth annual Fixed Income Investment Symposium)....

I heard Fazio's speech was a very detailed discussion of credit derivatives. Attendees were overwhelmed by the golf course architect's knowledge of the risks and complexities of the CDO market.

 ;D
« Last Edit: April 17, 2005, 04:50:05 PM by SPDB »

Ken Fry

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2005, 04:43:52 PM »
"The major thing is a big waterfall behind the 18th green, where we recirculate tens of thousands of gallons of water. As you leave the green, you walk under the waterfall to get to the clubhouse," he said. "There's beauty and drama. There's flowers, trees, shrubs and perfect grass. It's like a dream come true."

Say hello to Golf Digest "Best New Course" for 2005-06.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2005, 06:44:04 PM »
You know, Wynn needs to be credited more for the inspiration of Shadow Creek and Wynn(??).  I think Fazio's horizons may have been expanded working with Wynn.

JC

Joel_Stewart

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2005, 08:34:47 PM »
Its interesting that Jack Stephens (ANGC) would have Fazio speak to his bankers.  I guess Fazio is pretty secure in working at Augusta.

Regarding the Wynn course, when Wynn/Fazio announced the course a few years ago they tried to build it up as the best course in the world.  I believe they are back peddling a little.  From what I have seen when I drove around the property and the now the photos, I thought it looked like another Shadow Creek.  
« Last Edit: April 17, 2005, 08:35:19 PM by Joel_Stewart »

SPDB

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2005, 08:51:44 PM »
Joel - I don't think Fazio's appearance has as much to do with Jack Stephens as it does his son, Warren, who now runs Stephens. Fazio recently completed a course for Warren outside Little Rock.  

jg7236

Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2005, 08:57:57 PM »
I am staying at Wynn grand opening night at the end of this month.  I am not sure if I am playing golf or not, it is still in the works.  I will let you know all about it.

Cheers,

John

Paul Richards

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2005, 09:27:27 PM »
John

Hope you get to play.


 ;)


Please, please, please let us know how awesome that waterfall is on 18.

 ;) ;) :)
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2005, 11:02:55 PM »
>"The major thing is a big waterfall behind the 18th green, where we recirculate tens of thousands of gallons of water. As you leave the green, you walk under the waterfall to get to the clubhouse," he said. "There's beauty and drama. There's flowers, trees, shrubs and perfect grass. It's like a dream come true."
   

>>Say hello to Golf Digest "Best New Course" for 2005-06.


 :-[ :-[ :'( :-X :P
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Jim Franklin

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2005, 08:47:41 AM »
Paul -

It is not on the list for "Best New" this year.Sorry to disappoint.
Mr Hurricane

JakaB

Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2005, 09:30:45 AM »
You can pay $3 and get a nice tour of the course from the monorail....It does look like a whale and raters paradise but why anybody would pay to play the place is beyond me...

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2005, 10:29:15 AM »
Paul,

The waterfall was previously shown in this thread on Wynn LV:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=17224

JakaB

Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2005, 10:31:58 AM »
You can see the waterfall from the monorail....I'm really surprised that Wynn gave away his money shot to the masses for a $3 ticket.   I seriously wonder why he didn't have the stroke to re-route the thing away from the perimeter of his course.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2005, 10:52:16 AM »
Wait a few seconds....

« Last Edit: April 18, 2005, 10:52:42 AM by Scott_Burroughs »

tlavin

Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2005, 10:54:29 AM »
You know, Wynn needs to be credited more for the inspiration of Shadow Creek and Wynn(??).  I think Fazio's horizons may have been expanded working with Wynn.

JC

Based on a conversation I had with Fazio about four years ago, I would tend to agree.  Fazio was very happy about his working relationship with Wynn, particularly from the financial perspective, because (surprise, surprise) money was never the primary factor in a design/construction issue.  

He also told a cute story about how he was compensated after the project was over.  He told Wynn what he would typically charge for a project, then told him how much he would increase it for a real rich guy like Wynn and then he was handed a check for a bunch more money.

He then rushed to the airport where he was paged.  The caller was Wynn who asked him if he had "forgotten anything".  Fazio had left the check on Wynn's desk.  Fazio told him to mail the check and Wynn told him he would have it hand delivered to the airport.  Fazio told him that his flight was boarding, to which Wynn replied: "no problem".  A minute later, the monitor for his flight read: "delay" and he got his check twenty minutes later.

Fazio said he didn't want to believe that Wynn had that type of clout but "you never know..."

Paul Richards

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2005, 03:31:17 PM »
Scott

Where's the waterfall in that aerial?

 ??? :-[
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 03:36:33 PM »
Scott

Where's the waterfall in that aerial?

 ??? :-[
I couldn't find it either, even when zooming in close.  The aerial was taken Sept 1, 2004.  I guess it's possible they hadn't built it yet or I just can't make it out.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Fazio on Wynn Las Vegas
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 03:47:36 PM »
TL,

The first time I played SC I bought and read the Wynn/Fazio book.  As someone with a technical background I was fascinated with the amount of science and planning that went into the design, all before the first teaspoon of sand was moved.  From the model holes, to the professional designer they sent into the surrounding mountains to sample the background color, to the LUCAS Films robotic video simulations, to being concerned about the smell of the place (thus the trainloads of pine straw), it is an engineering marvel but one that could only have been done by a visionary - Wynn.

JC

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