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JakaB

Golfweek World Top 100
« on: January 11, 2005, 03:50:23 PM »
A liitle bird told me this is going to happen...when it does how much different will the list look than the one at Golf Magazine....When do you see the current Modern list falling off of the face....Friars Head is a lock at 11...is that it..How deep do you see the Classic list going..
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JESII

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 03:59:41 PM »
This is as it shold be, don't you think? One list is what I mean. After all, the game did not change at the time they divide modern from classic. Agree or disagree?
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JakaB

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 04:45:16 PM »
Sean,

The list does not exist yet...one of the problems is deciding if to have a top 100 Modern World and a top 100 Classic World...I hope they stick with just the one list so we can finnally see some of the big courses do battle.....Is there any doubt that when looking from a world perspective that Friars Head will be above Bandon Dunes...
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Jonathan Cummings

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2005, 04:56:29 PM »
Johnny Boy - my sense is that your bird is a little off base...
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JakaB

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2005, 05:04:22 PM »
Sean,

As good as Bandon Dunes may be...do you really see it getting sniff when up against the true links courses in the world.....not me.   Friars Head is a different story....How about Kinloch for that matter....Do you see it falling when on a world stage..
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Joel_Stewart

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 05:15:09 PM »
Are you sure its GolfWeek?   Golf Digest is putting together something as well, called PlanetGolf?
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JakaB

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 05:21:34 PM »
Joel,

That's not what my bird told me...but maybe Jonathan is out of the loop on this one..

In the Golf Digest model are they using the same rater corps or putting together a new more specialized group..
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Tommy Williamsen

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 08:42:37 PM »
I don't know if new panelists are involved but GD sent me a ballot via E-Mail that listed cpurses all over the world.  GD is going to list the best courses in each country.  I don't know when it will come out.
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Scott_Burroughs

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 10:35:04 PM »
Tommy/all,

The best in each country is not a new thing for Golf Digest.  The last one came out something like a year ago.  The interesting tidbit from this ranking is where they list the number of golf courses in each country.  Here's the most recent list from last year:

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Lloyd_Cole

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2005, 11:06:10 PM »
Strangely, no-one has emailed me..
Lets be real with this. If the editorial staff of the publication in question are European (ie British) it will be one list and if it is a US based venture it will be another list.
When I was in college this was called post modernist thinking, recognising that different perspectives will reach different conclusions. I believe we are now post post modernist, So I'm not sure if my 2 cents are passe. Probably..
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Glen Rapoport

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2005, 11:16:18 PM »
Does it really matter whether this list (if it happens) is different from Golf Magazine's or Golf Digest's?  And if the panel is all European, all North American or mixed?  It's all subjective anyway.  That's what keeps us, who obscess over golf and all things golf, busy and happy.  Let's just sit back and enjoy it.

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JakaB

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2005, 11:38:24 PM »
This is the Golf Magazine list...who do you see Golfweek giving a toss and who do you think will come on board...this is a 2003 list..



1  1  Pine Valley  Clementon, NJ  Crump/Colt, 1918  

2  2  Cypress Point  Pebble Beach, CA  Mackenzie, 1928; Egan  

3  9  Muirfield  Gullane, Scotland  T. Morris, 1891; Colt, Simpson  

4  6  Shinnecock Hills  Southampton, NY  Flynn, 1931  

5  4  Augusta National  Augusta, GA  Mackenzie/Bobby Jones, 1932  

6  5  St. Andrews (Old Course)  St. Andrews, Scotland  16th century  

7  3  Pebble Beach  Pebble Beach, CA  Neville/Grant, 1919; Egan  

8  10  Royal Melbourne (Composite)  Melbourne, Australia  Mackenzie/Russell, 1926  

9  7  Pinehurst (No. 2)  Pinehurst, NC  D. Ross, 1935  

10  8  Royal County Down  Newcastle, Northern Ireland  T. Morris, 1889; Dunn, Vardon  

11  12  Sand Hills  Mullen, NE  Coore/Crenshaw, 1995  

12  14  Royal Portrush (Dunluce)  Portrush, Northern Ireland  Colt, 1929  

13  11  Ballybunion (Old)  Ballybunion, Ireland  Murphy, 1906; Simpson, Gourlay  

14  13  Merion (East)  Ardmore, PA  H. Wilson, 1912  

15  16  Oakmont  Oakmont, PA  Fownes, 1903  

16  15  Royal Dornoch  Dornoch, Scotland  T. Morris, 1886; Sutherland, Duncan  

17  18  Turnberry (Ailsa)  Turnberry, Scotland  P.M. Ross, 1906  

18  19  Winged Foot (West)  Mamaroneck, NY  Tillinghast, 1923  

19  26  Pacific Dunes  Bandon, OR  Doak, 2001  

20  23  National Golf Links of America  Southampton, NY  Macdonald, 1911  

21  28  Kingston Heath  Cheltenham, Australia  Soutar, 1925; Mackenzie  

22  17  Seminole  North Palm Beach, FL  D. Ross, 1929; D. Wilson  

23  21  Prairie Dunes  Hutchinson, KS  Maxwell, 1935  

24  24  Crystal Downs  Frankfort, MI  Mackenzie/Maxwell, 1929  

25  25  Oakland Hills (South)  Bloomfield Hills, MI  D. Ross, 1917; R.T. Jones Sr.  

26  22  Carnoustie (Championship)  Carnoustie, Scotland  Robertson, 1842; T. Morris, Park, Braid  

27  20  San Francisco  San Francisco, CA  Tillinghast, 1915  

28  29  Royal Birkdale  Southport, England  Lowe, 1889; Hawtree/Taylor  

29  30  Fishers Island  Fishers Island, NY  Raynor, 1917  

30  45  Bethpage (Black)  Farmingdale, NY  Tillinghast, 1936; Rees Jones  

31  31  Chicago  Wheaton, IL  Macdonald, 1895; Raynor  

32  27  Royal St. George's  Sandwich, England  Purves, 1887; Mackenzie, Pennink, Steel  

33  33  The Country Club (Championship)  Brookline, MA  Campbell, 1895; Flynn, Rees Jones  

34  35  Casa de Campo (Teeth of Dog)  La Romana, Dominican Republic  P. Dye, 1971  

35  41  Hirono  Kobe, Japan  Alison, 1932  

36  42  Riviera  Pacific Palisades, CA  Thomas/Bell,1926; T. Fazio, Crenshaw, Coore  

37  39  Muirfield Village  Dublin, OH  Nicklaus/Muirhead, 1974  

38  40  Royal Troon (Old)  Troon, Scotland  Fernie, 1878; Braid  

39  32  Olympic (Lake)  San Francisco, CA  Reid, 1917; Whiting, R.T. Jones Sr.  

40  34  Portmarnock  Portmarnock, Ireland  G. Ross/Pickeman, 1894; Hawtree  

41  44  Southern Hills  Tulsa, OK  Maxwell, 1935  

42  37  Oak Hill (East)  Rochester, NY  D. Ross, 1926; R.T. Jones Sr, G. & T. Fazio  

43  47  New South Wales  La Perouse, Australia  Mackenzie, 1928  

44  36  Sunningdale (Old)  Sunningdale, England  W. Park, 1901; Colt  

45  38  Baltusrol (Lower)  Springfield, NJ  Tillinghast, 1922; R.T. Jones Sr.  

46  43  Woodhall Spa  Woodhall Spa, England  Vardon, 1905; Colt, Hotchkin, Hutchison  

47  54  Morfontaine  Senlis, France  Simpson, 1927  

48  48  The Golf Club  New Albany, OH  P. Dye, 1967  

49   Kauri Cliffs  Kaeo, New Zealand  Harmon, 2000  

50  80  Royal Adelaide  Adelaide, Australia  Gardiner, 1904; Mackenzie  

51  63  Shoreacres  Lake Bluff, IL  Raynor, 1919  

52  53  Medinah (No. 3)  Medinah, IL  Bendelow, 1928; Collis, Rulewich, Rees Jones  

53  50  Whistling Straits (Straits)  Haven, WI  P. Dye, 1998  

54  49  Royal Lytham & St. Annes  Lytham St. Annes, England  Lowe, 1886  

55  57  Garden City  Garden City, NY  Emmet, 1898; Travis  

56  52  Loch Lomond  Luss, Scotland  Weiskopf/Morrish, 1994  

57  56  TPC at Sawgrass (Stadium)  Ponte Vedra Beach, FL  P. Dye, 1981  

58  64  Inverness  Toledo, OH  D. Ross, 1919; G. & T. Fazio, Hills  

59  61  Los Angeles (North)  Los Angeles, CA  Thomas, 1921  

60  65  Maidstone  East Hampton, NY  W. & J. Park, 1891; Tucker  

61  62  Quaker Ridge  Scarsdale, NY  Tillinghast, 1926; R.T. Jones Sr.  

62  71  Ganton  Ganton, England  T. Dunn 1891; Colt, Cotton  

63  51  Camargo  Cincinnati, OH  Raynor, 1921  

64  69  Highlands Links  Ingonish Beach, Nova Scotia Canada  Thompson, 1935; Cooke  

65  46  Kingsbarns  St. Andrews, Scotland  Phillips, 1999  

66  59  Winged Foot (East)  Mamaroneck, NY  Tillinghast, 1923  

67  75  Harbour Town  Hilton Head Island, SC  P. Dye/Nicklaus, 1969  

68  93  Cabo del Sol (Ocean)  Los Cabos, Mexico  Nicklaus, 1994  

69  79  Somerset Hills  Bernardsville, NJ  Tillinghast, 1917  

70  89  Durban  Durban, South Africa  Waters/Waterman, 1922; Hotchkin  

71  72  Scioto  Columbus, OH  D. Ross, 1916; D. Wilson  

72  66  Royal Liverpool  Hoylake, England  G. Morris/Chambers, 1869; Pennink  

73  67  Lahinch  Lahinch, Ireland  T. Morris, 1893; Gibson, Mackenzie  

74  70  Bandon Dunes  Bandon, OR  Kidd, 1999  

75  60  Naruo  Osaka, Japan  Crane, 1904; Alison  

76  55  Cruden Bay  Cruden Bay, Scotland  Fowler/Simpson, 1926  

77  87  Valderrama  Sotogrande, Spain  R.T. Jones Sr., 1975  

78  73  Wentworth (West)  Virginia Water, England  Colt/Morrison, 1924  

79   Kiawah Island (Ocean)  Kiawah Island, SC  P. Dye, 1991  

80  58  Kawana (Fuji)  Kawana, Japan  Alison/Fujita, 1936  

81  74  Spyglass Hill  Pebble Beach, CA  R.T. Jones Sr., 1966  

82  81  Walton Heath (Old)  Tadworth, England  Fowler, 1904  

83  76  World Woods (Pine Barrens)  Brooksville, FL  T. Fazio, 1993  

84  77  Ocean Forest  Sea Island, GA  Rees Jones, 1995  

85  94  Valley Club of Montecito  Santa Barbara, CA  Mackenzie/Hunter, 1928  

86  92  Congressional (Blue)  Bethesda, MD  Emmet, 1924; R.T. Jones Sr., Rees Jones  

87  85  Peachtree  Atlanta, GA  R.T. Jones Sr./Bobby Jones, 1948  

88  88  Wade Hampton  Cashiers, NC  T. Fazio, 1987  

89  68  Shadow Creek  North Las Vegas, NV  T. Fazio, 1989  

90  84  Cherry Hills  Cherry Hills Village, CO  Flynn, 1923  

91  99  Baltimore (Five Farms East)  Lutherville, MD  Tillinghast, 1926; Silva  

92   Yeamans Hall  Hanahan, SC  Raynor, 1925  

93  78  El Saler  Valencia, Spain  Arana, 1967  

94  83  Homestead (Cascades)  Hot Springs, VA  Flynn, 1923  

95  96  St. George's  Etobicoke, Ontario Canada  Thompson, 1929; Robinson  

96  82  The Honors Course  Ooltewah, TN  P. Dye, 1984  

97  90  East Lake  Atlanta, GA  Bendelow, 1910; D. Ross, Cobb, Rees Jones  

98   European Club  Brittas Bay, Ireland  Ruddy, 1992  

99  95  Paraparaumu Beach  Paraparaumu, New Zealand  Russell, 1949  

100  98  Colonial  Fort Worth, TX  Bredemus, 1935; Maxwell  

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Joel_Stewart

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 12:16:37 AM »
Quote from: John B. Kavanaugh on January 11, 2005, 05:21:34 PM
In the Golf Digest model are they using the same rater corps or putting together a new more specialized group..

They are using the same panelists.  The scoring is a very simple 1 to 10 scale and no US courses are involved.  It is the same thing that Scott posted the link to.

Golf Magazine is sending out the ballots for their Top 100 in the next week or so with the ballots due by the end of April.  We should see the results by the end of the year.
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Scott_Burroughs

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 09:38:10 AM »
They also treat Ireland and Northern Ireland as "one".  It's probably not good to get the IRA on your bad side.
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Brad Klein

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 11:25:59 PM »
Kavanaugh, your little bird is more like an emu who cannot get off the ground.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2005, 05:55:07 AM by Brad Klein »
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Jack_Marr

Re:Golfweek World Top 100
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2005, 04:23:55 AM »
You will offend one or other section of the community what you call it. Actually, almost nobody will be offended.

It's such a strange place, when the most popular politician is a bone fide lunatic.

However, the Irish golf team is from the whole island, not just the Republic. The GUI, as Sean says, operates for the whole island.



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