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Craig Van Egmond

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Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« on: December 08, 2004, 08:12:47 AM »

His course Giants Ridge won the best new upscale public course in the latest Golf Digest.  This course has been well discussed here on GCA.

Some other GCA favorites fared well:

Sutton Bay - best new private course.

The Rawls Course - runner up in affordable public.

Blackhawk - Rod Whitman, runner up best new Canadian.  

Is GCA going mainstream?  


JakaB

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2004, 08:18:12 AM »
How about Kinderlou Forrest..

Jason Mandel

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2004, 09:53:46 AM »
Does anyone have all the results yet?
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Dan Kelly

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2004, 10:13:56 AM »
Minor correction on this good news:

The course is The Quarry at Giants Ridge -- the second of two (so far?) Brauer designs at Giants Ridge resort in Biwabik, Minnesota. The first was The Legend at Giants Ridge. (There's a terrible apostrophe shortage in Northern Minnesota.)

Jeff -- Is there any chance of a third at GR?

The very good news, for Minnesotans and pilgrims here, is that there's already a third excellent Brauer design just up the road from Giants Ridge: The Wilderness, at the Fortune Bay casino -- certainly a Best New candidate for next year.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2004, 10:14:52 AM by Dan Kelly »
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THuckaby2

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2004, 10:20:07 AM »
Dan - given how often I see "it's" when it's supposed to be "its", I have gained a new measure for respect for Minnesotans and their sparing use of apostrophes.

And how do you know it's not a ridge filled with giants, who don't really own the place but just kinda hang out there? That is, the usage here being very creative, with "giants" as an adjective?

See how far I will go to give people the benefit of the doubt?

 ;D ;D ;D

BTW, if anyone can find a link to the entire list, please do post it.  I likely won't see the magazine for awhile and I am curious if any I rated made it to the top.

TH

Robert Thompson

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2004, 11:07:42 AM »
GD's website doesn't have this year's list on it yet -- I'm intrigued at what beat out Blackhawk as Canada's best new course -- cause I didn't play a better new track this year, with the notable exception of Eagles Nest, which wasn't in this year's ratings group.

Anyone got the magazine and can post the list?

Robert
Terrorizing Toronto Since 1997

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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2004, 12:39:40 PM »
Craig,

I read this and thought that perhaps GCA.com should have a section listing recent accomplishments or projects.

I also read that Tripp Davis just partnered with Justin Leonard as well.

When these fellows are so willing to spend their time on this site, informing and educating us, it would seem appropriate to recognize significant events in their design careers.

Ran,

How about a recent events section ?  
A did you know category that gets swept after one year.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2004, 12:45:28 PM »
I'm really happy for Jeff, as well as Tom Doak.  Both of these guys are getting mainstream!  ;)  

I'm also happy for Mark Amundson at Sutton Bay, who has joined our discussions many times.  

Kelly Blake Moran

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2004, 01:18:18 PM »
That's great Pat.  Make sure there is a hotline link so these architect's marketing companies can easily send daily accomplishment emails. That's just what we need here another avenue for self promotion.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2004, 01:49:42 PM »
Rob and all,

I don't have the issue yet, but I heard from a reliable source that the Best New Canadian course awards finished like this:

1. The Rock
Muskoka region, Ontario
Nick Faldo... well, Brit Stenson for real  ;D

2. Blackhawk
Edmonton, Alberta
Rod Whitman... with SIGNIFICANT assistance from Jeff Mingay  ;D

3. Wildfire
Near London, Ontario, I think?
Tom McBroom
jeffmingay.com

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2004, 02:14:55 PM »
Kelly Blake Moran,

If you were retained to design or restore a golf course, why wouldn't we want to credit you for your efforts and recognize your work.

It wouldn't be promo pieces, it would be a section acknowledging works in progress.

I thought it was a good idea, but I'll defer to what others think.

Robert Thompson

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2004, 02:25:06 PM »
The Rock winning is just so ridiculous given that I am the only one I know to say anything positive about it. Some people have actually been openly hostile to me when I've worn a vest I was given at the media opening. I had it so far behind Blackhawk that I'm amazed at how this happened. It isn't even the fourth best course in Muskoka, and has several truly awful holes.
There's lots of background on this so-called "Nick Faldo/Brit Stenson" design, especially the fact the routing wasn't done by them. There are awful holding ponds all over the course -- and some remarkably bad holes -- like the 18th, for example, where you hit a five-iron off the tee on a par five, then hit a three wood over the marsh.
Anyway, kudos to Rod and Jeff for Blackhawk -- Canada's best new course, even if GD doesn't recognize it.

Robert

Terrorizing Toronto Since 1997

Read me at Canadiangolfer.com

Dan Kelly

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2004, 03:39:59 PM »
The Rock winning is just so ridiculous given that I am the only one I know to say anything positive about it. Some people have actually been openly hostile to me when I've worn a vest I was given at the media opening. I had it so far behind Blackhawk that I'm amazed at how this happened. It isn't even the fourth best course in Muskoka, and has several truly awful holes.
There's lots of background on this so-called "Nick Faldo/Brit Stenson" design, especially the fact the routing wasn't done by them. There are awful holding ponds all over the course -- and some remarkably bad holes -- like the 18th, for example, where you hit a five-iron off the tee on a par five, then hit a three wood over the marsh.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you like the play?"
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2004, 03:41:13 PM »
Thanks again, Rob. I'll have to visit The Rock soon, to see what went "wrong" at Blackhawk!

Rob sent my the funniest email I've received in awhile, prefaced by a note that read something like, "I saw Blackhawk finished 2nd on the GD Best New Canadian course ranking. Congrats. What course finished first?"

When I returned with: "The Rock", Rob quickly responded: "You're f**king joking, right?"

I laughed, aloud  :)
« Last Edit: December 08, 2004, 03:42:09 PM by Jeff_Mingay »
jeffmingay.com

HamiltonBHearst

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2004, 03:46:19 PM »


Pat

I have no interest in knowing who restored some of the older courses.  We should honor the original architect not throw five names onto the scorecard.  It is only used for PR purposes and generally by people who should not be touching the classic courses.

Any club doing any research as to who can best handle their resoration needs can find the information somewhere.

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2004, 04:20:25 PM »
Let me add my congratulations to Jeff. I've never played a Brauer design that I didn't really enjoy. Of course, I've never played a Brauer design outside of Minnesota, so I suppose I should give myself a chance to sample a few more flavors...
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Jason Mandel

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2004, 04:22:11 PM »
has anyone else seen a full list of results?
You learn more about a man on a golf course than anywhere else

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Rick Shefchik

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2004, 04:24:06 PM »
While I'm at it, congratulations, too, to Mark Amundson. I had a chance to spend a weekend at Sutton Bay this fall, and it was the finest golf trip I've taken in many years. If it hadn't been for that damned wind that wouldn't switch directions when we turned around to play back to the clubhouse...
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

BCrosby

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2004, 04:25:54 PM »
Pat -

Good idea. Perhaps have the architect himself post a few comments about location, estimated finish date, pub v. private. Basic factual stuff.

Bob

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2004, 04:34:48 PM »
When I saw this post, the first thing I thought it was because he finally got the "Natural" thing. ;)

Congratulations to Jeff though. I'm sure the Giant's footprint sealed the deal.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2004, 04:42:02 PM »
Tommy,

The Giant footprint is not on The Quarry course that won the new GD award, it's on the original course at GR, The Legend (which placed 8th in 1998 for Best New Upscale).

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2004, 04:50:02 PM »
Thanks for the kind words. I haven't seen the Golf Digest yet, as I suspect they still deliver it to Texas via Pony Express.....

Dan,

Less chance of a third course at GR than there is of me having a fourth child.......which is 0%.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Congrats to Jeff Brauer
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2004, 04:50:04 PM »
Hey, Tommy, in defense of the footprint (not that Jeff really needs defending) you probably wouldn't guess it was a footprint from the ground level. It just looks like a collection of bunkers placed in a strategic spot at the left corner of a slight dogleg left hole -- a nice challenge to test your length off the tee if you're so inclined to try to cut the dogleg.

From the air, it's a footprint. But who sees courses from the air, except when you're thumbing through the promotional brochure?

Some months ago there was a thread about A Sense of Humor in Golf Course Architecture, and few examples could be found (outside of Desmond Muirhead, who's a little too funny for my tastes.) I love classical design as much as anyone, and I'm not saying every course needs a footprint, but the one I know of doesn't spoil the course in the slightest, and perhaps even adds a smile for some players.

I believe Jeff said he wanted to do another footprint at Giant's Ridge to make it look (from the air) as though the giant had walked across the course. I wish he had.

"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice