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Carlyle Rood

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Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« on: December 07, 2004, 12:12:48 PM »
Whatever happened to Southerness Golf Club in Stockbridge, GA?  It was designed by Clyde Johnston and opened in 1991.  Beyond that, I don't know anything about it except that it apparently doesn't exist any longer.

John_Cullum

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2004, 12:18:54 PM »
... It was designed by Clyde Johnston ...

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A.G._Crockett

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2004, 12:23:46 PM »
Carlyle,
I don't know the exact date, but Southerness has just recently closed.  I also don't know the circumstances of it's closing, but it wasn't an easy place to get to, by any means.  I played it once about three years ago, and it was very enjoyable, but probably suffered by comparison with some other layouts on the south end that were built a little deeper into the golf construction boom on bigger budgets.  In that respect, it was probably a bit like Larry Nelson and Jeff Brauer's Centennial on the north end, also now an NLE.
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Robert Kimball

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2004, 01:32:46 PM »
Wow. I didn't know that it closed.
I used to play quite a bit out there.  But you are right, it isn't easy to get to and the last time I went out there the prices were really starting to get up there.  
I loved those last 3 holes along the lake. I had my lowest round ever at Southerness.  Too bad.   :'(

Top100Guru

Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2004, 01:44:01 PM »
Part of a new Real Estate Development..........bottom line, Land worth way more for "new Homes" than the purchase price of a C.J. Golf Course design on the southside (wrong-side) of ATL

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2004, 02:03:35 PM »
wow, I got lost on the way back to Atlanta from cuscowilla looking at courses and stumbled by it. I did not try to play due to time contraints. I wish I had stopped by now.

Andy Doyle

Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2004, 05:06:14 PM »
That's a bummer to hear that Southerness closed - but not unexpected.  I first played there about 10 years ago and they were billing the course as a golf club - no tennis, no houses, etc.  I just don't think there was enough of a market for that type of club in that area.  I've played it occasionally over the years, and the course conditioning slowly but surely deteriorated.  Our kids' school had their fund-raising tournament there the first 2 years, but left for another course after 2002 because the course was in such awful shape.

Rob:

I also loved those closing holes.  My lifetime low is also at Southerness - even with a triple on 17.

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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2004, 06:13:34 PM »
I remember reading about this course but never played it during my visits to Atlanta. Was this the course with wicker baskets a la Merion instead of flags?

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Ken Fry

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2004, 07:55:45 PM »
Yes Steve it was.  It got too expensive to replace them as they would break frequently.

I worked at Southerness for a short time and played the course often in the early '90's.  It's amazing how the landscape of golf courses around Atlanta has changed in the last 10 years.  RTJ's Metropolitan closed.  Centennial was billed as the great new course in the '90's and it closed.  Southerness was opened as a high end daily fee course and now it's closed.  A few courses are for sale.  What's going on down there??

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Andy Doyle

Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2004, 08:30:53 PM »
Urban sprawl continues unabated.  Just like a number of the in-town clubs sold off and moved out in the 60's and 70's (Atlanta Athletic Club, Standard Club, etc.), many courses that were built just outside the Perimeter in the 80's and 90's have now been bypassed by newer swim/tennis/golf communities even further out that have extended Atlanta's suburbs nearly to the Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina borders.

A few in-town clubs are holding the line.  The East Lake renovation has of course received a lot of attention.  Druid Hills Golf Club has just completed a major course renovation by Bob Cupp.  The few remaining private clubs are prohibitively expensive, leaving few choices for in-town resident golfers like me.  You can either play the munis like Brown's Mill, or drive well outside the Perimeter to find decent daily fee courses.  I just played Hidden Hills last Friday, and it's going down the tubes.  If some major money isn't put into bringing this course back, it's going to go the way of Southerness, Metropolitan, and Centennial (all of which I used to play).

Mike_Young

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2004, 08:43:50 PM »
I have been told it was purchased as part of the Panola Park Land Trust.
As for all of the discussion of these housing development golf courses closing.....it has nothing to do with the golf.....when the land becomes more valuable as housing then it gets developed.  It is just part of the cycle with real estate developments.  I do know that it has been a while since we have had a project that was routed to have housing on both sides of the holes as was common in the 90's.  I think that really distracted from the golf experience and made it much easier to come back in and redevelop the existing projects as housing.
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Andy Doyle

Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2004, 09:25:33 PM »
As urban sprawl continues, land closer to the city certainly increases in value.  Another part of the equation would seem to be though, what value the residents/members place on the golf.

The land that Druid Hills Golf Club sits on has to be worth a fortune - I can imagine developers looking at this gorgeous property in the middle of Atlanta and seeing nothing but hundreds of million-dollar McMansions.  Yet the members were willing to invest significant funds to maintain and improve their course and facilities.

Hidden Hills appears to have been in a death spiral for the last 10 years.  When the residents and members don't value the golf enough to maintain the membership, it starts to slide towards that tipping point - where the "value" of the golf is exceeded by the value of developing that land.  When I first moved to Atlanta, Hidden Hills was private and was thought of as a good club in good housing development.  Since then, membership has declined dramatically, and the club shifted to semi-private, now public/daily fee.  They have declined to the point that last Friday afternoon, when it was 60 degrees and sunny, I played for $25 - and we saw maybe 4 other groups on the course.

Mike_Young

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Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2004, 10:48:37 PM »
Andy,
There is a big difference between a private, member owned club, located amongst  intown development vs. a PUD with a golf course intertwined.  However if one remembers in the early 90's one such golf course was bought from the members, The Standard Club, and the developer built them a new course a few miles outside the perimeter.  
Most of the clubs we see fading now are not member owned but "for profit" clubs that may possibly have memberships.
I think most places like Druid Hills are safe IMHO or atleast I hope so..
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Top100Guru

Re:Southerness Golf Club (Georgia) - What's the story?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2004, 09:32:29 AM »
Mike;

On top of your Standard Club comments.........that club is currently closed and under a "complete renovation"......more and more of these "cookie cutter" courses from the late 80's and early 90's are going to be disappearing over the next several years....land has gone way up in value, and these courses, they are finding in many instances, were poorly constructed, and now, when major repaproblems arise, as in with the need for total green reconstruction, as was the case at St Ives, the builder/developer apparently burried massive amounts of fallen trees and "other" debris under the green complexes, likely to "build up the height" of the greens, and drainage issues that force re-routing of holes, as was the case at several "other" courses in Atlanta, it becomes a question of, hey, if we can get this land rezoned, sell it for 3 times what we paid for it, and not have to dump 1M+ into to get it ready for our members/daily fee folks..........well, enough said