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TEPaul

Who was the most interesting golfer....
« on: December 02, 2004, 11:48:42 AM »
any of you fanatics out there ever played with?

I've played with a few really interesting ones over the years like Tommy Armour and Glenna Collett Vare but I have to think the most interesting one was Philadelphia's Skee Riegal, the winner of the 1947 US Amateur at Pebble Beach. I played with him in the PA Open at Saucon Valley about ten or so years ago. Skee was old but he had a lifetime excemption to the PA Open. I'd never met him before but I knew I was paired with him. I was on the putting green and I looked over and here's this old guy who had on clothes, golf shoes, and clubs and balls and a golf bag that was right out of the 1950s!

It was Skee Riegal, a most interesting guy and it was a most interesting day!

THuckaby2

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2004, 11:52:20 AM »
Are we to name-drop, or describe interesting unknown characters?

For the former, I've told this story before but in high school I partnered with Corey Pavin in a UCLA/my high school golf team partners event... Man was he a nice guy... GREAT GREAT GREAT player also... and those who say he's short off the tee, well it's all relative.

This was before he found religion.  I'm not sure how that changed him one way or the other but let's just say we didn't talk about God, unless the deity comes in the form of beautiful UCLA co-eds.

For the latter, hell it doesn't get more interesting than a round with Gib Papazian and John Kavanaugh in the same group... or any round with Mr. Huntley....  Can't see how it could!  But I did play with a one-armed guy once who beat me soundly... that was interesting...

TH

michael j fay

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2004, 12:03:05 PM »
I played the # 2 course a number of years ago with Charlie Price. He was hung over and in a very bad mood.

His mood was not improved as one of our opponents shot 69 and if he had putted well could have shot 61 or 62.

I was absolutely astounded that this guy could hit the ball 270-280 every time in the exact middle of the fairway and his iron shots were crisp and at the pin. I would have to say that he never missed a shot.

The most amazing thing about this performance was that the player was missing the bottom half of his left leg. He was the many time National Amputee Champ, Bick Long.

wsmorrison

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2004, 12:09:01 PM »
For me it would be a group of guys, the ones I get paired up with at the Hall of Fame induction weekend golf outing in Cooperstown, NY.  Because my father-in-law was elected into the Hall in 1997, I've had the good fortune to play golf with a number of sport celebrities and in Cooperstown with Hall of Famers like Steve Carlton, Mike Schmidt, Enos Slaughter, Bob Feller, and Eddie Matthews.  They may not be the most interesting golfers per se, but they tell the best stories I've ever heard and are an absolute blast to play golf with.  If I had to pick one, it would clearly be the original Whitey--Richie Ashburn, a better man than ballplayer.  

It is interesting to see these fabulous athletes play golf.  Most excelled in just about any sport they tried.  But golf seemed so elusive to most of these guys that they really were intrigued by it.

A_Clay_Man

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2004, 12:12:15 PM »
Present company excluded, One of the most interesting persons I ever went around with,(as a caddy) was a guy who had been privy to the inner sanctum of Marvin Davis, back when he owned Pebble Beach. This guy had so much inside stuff, it was fascinating. Most of it was about Spanish Bay and it's  inception. A point in time that was pivitol to the quality of the ultimate product.  ;)

As for golfing with, there's a friend in PG whose an artist and was a math genius. He's the guy who knows the flaw in either the numerator, or denominator, of the GHIN formula.
And finally the Eskimo women, a state representative for the state of Alaska, who on the very first tee, said, "How do you hold this thing".



TEPaul

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2004, 12:37:37 PM »
"Are we to name-drop, or describe interesting unknown characters?"

TomH:

What do you think? I don't care! There was this kid I was a fellow competitor with once in a state tournament who was interesting because he was without question the most unadulterted asshole imaginable. You can't believe some of the stuff he came up with. It was such a wet day that they had to be close to calling it but they didn't. On the last hole I sunk a putt into a cup which was almost overflowing with water and I said to him:

"Just a minute, let me go up there and get that ball out so the cup won't create a virtual pond"---(meaning he might have a better chance of his ball not hydroplaning right over it and he completely lost it and became hysterical and accused me of trying to negatively influence his game.

That was interesting but I hope you don't know who he is or ever will!   ;)
« Last Edit: December 02, 2004, 12:51:54 PM by TEPaul »

THuckaby2

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2004, 12:41:42 PM »
TEP:

Great stuff!

As for the name-dropping comment, well... I just thought clarifying this would make it more fun... but either works for me.  My apologies.

TH

Brad Klein

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2004, 12:47:38 PM »
If caddying for them counts, the two most interesting I ever accompanied were Peter Thomson at the 1977 World Golf Hall of Fame at Pinehurst No. 2, where he eyeballed every shot and hit about 15 greens in regulation - front third of them, most of the time. Also, looped for Pat Ward-Thomas in 1980 at The Old Course in the R&A club matches. He was sick, absolutely the worst golfer I ever saw, but knew that place inside and out and was hilarious the whole way.

TEPaul

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2004, 12:50:08 PM »
"But golf seemed so elusive to most of these guys that they really were intrigued by it."

Wayne:

Did you see that interview not long ago with Charles Barkley? Golf is completely driving him nuts! He's tried everything imaginable and it ain't working at all. He can't sleep sometimes, he doesn't know what the hell to do next and it's killing him.

At some point slightly before that I was watching a simultaneous interview with Barkley and Woods (they were not in the same place and the interviewer was cutting back and forth between them) and Barkley was talking about how extraordinary Woods's golf game and his overall ability really is. Woods was sincerely talking about how his golf instruction book could virtually help anyone if they'd read it carefully and truly apply what he said in it. Barkley hears this and then proceeds to say Tiger can't be that good after-all because he's never been able to help him one iota. The interviewer tells Woods what Barkley just said about him and his book--- Tiger is somewhat taken aback but after a brief pause says;

"Well, let me amend what I said. I should've said my book can help virtually anyone with the exception of Charles, he's completely hopeless and he always will be!"

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2004, 12:52:42 PM »
I do not know if this counts or not,
but I caddied for Hal Sutton in consecetive Brtish Opens at Royal Birkdale, Troon and St Andrews.
One of the practice rounds was played at TOC with Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman and Lee Trevino..three very distinct personalities
IN short summary..Jack knew everything there is to know about everything...Lee was not as nice a guy as I had been led to believe..and Greg was the most accomodating individual I had up to that point met.
The stories from that day would leave me typing for hours, and I have patients waiting for me, but at least that is my contribution to this thread.

Tony_Chapman

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2004, 01:01:51 PM »
They may not be the most interesting golfers per se, but they tell the best stories I've ever heard and are an absolute blast to play golf with.  If I had to pick one, it would clearly be the original Whitey--Richie Ashburn, a better man than ballplayer.  

This is because he was from Nebraska!!!!

I don't have anyone famous to add to this story, but I have played with a man who hits every shot cross-handed and is about a 10-handicap in his 70s. He is a wonderful guy and a joy to play with.

I guess after that, I have to go with Brian Gracely or "golf's most beloved figure."

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2004, 01:06:40 PM »
The last time I played the Old Course it was with Tom Morris - not THE Tom Morris, of course, but the University Registrar.

TEPaul

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2004, 01:07:06 PM »
"The stories from that day would leave me typing for hours, and I have patients waiting for me, but at least that is my contribution to this thread."

Michael:

So what? You know what I say? Let them wait! There're some things that're a helluva lot more important than some trivality like life or death!

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2004, 01:15:59 PM »
Wayne M.:

I'm sure I'm not the only one interested to know who your father-in-law is?
jeffmingay.com

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2004, 01:18:33 PM »
Tom

Skee Reigel is quite a guy.He also finished second at The Masters. I don't remember the year. I've played a few holes with him and the late Max Hankin at Commonwealth where he was, at one time, Pro Emeritus. I think he now is associated in some way with Cape May National where there is a local PGA section tournament named in his honor. At one time, Skee operated the driving range and gave lessons at Burholme Park in northeast Philly, my original golfing home.

Steve
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2004, 01:26:16 PM »
Tom

Re: Skee Riegel. The late Max Hankin was quite a character himself. Skee and Max were close friends. Max owned Hidden Springs GC in Horsham where a LPGA event was held in the 1950s to 60s. Perry Como was the official host. Max sold Hidden Springs in the late 1980s to Bud Hansen, the original developer of Commonwealth. I've had lunch with Skee and Max many times. I just sat back and listened.

Ben Hogan's 280 wins 15th Masters classic
Skee Riegel in 2nd spot as play ends

By Randy Russell
Chronicle sports editor Augusta, Ga., Monday, April 9, 1951 -- Valiant Ben Hogan, with the big majority of a crowd of 12,000 golf addicts pulling for him, won the 15th annual Masters tournament yesterday by shooting a brilliant 68 over the par 72 Augusta National Golf club course for a 72-hoe total of 280.

Skee Riegel, the former National Amateur champion who turned pro little over a year ago, was second at 282. Lloyd Mangrum and Lew Worstram Sr. deadlocked for third six strokes behind Hogan.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2004, 01:29:47 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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Sam Sikes

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2004, 01:29:11 PM »
Tom Huckaby,
Do you remember who the guy with one arm was?

wsmorrison

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2004, 01:29:30 PM »
Michael,

There must be a lot of doctors on GCA because the wait in doctor's offices is forever!  Now I know what you guys are doing back there while we're in the waiting room (aptly named) getting pissed off!

Tony,

Yep, he was the pride of Tilden, Nebraska.  I had the good fortune of visiting the state last year finally after 15 years of marriage.  It took an invite to Sand Hills to get me there but the state is Americana personified.  Too bad their football team is so bad.  I was a huge Johnnie Rogers and Rich Glover fan as a kid while my twin brother was a big Oklahoma fan.  But now I have to take whoever the other side is against Univ of Neb since I'm surrounded by so many Cornhusker fans all the time.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2004, 01:30:00 PM »
Tom

Skee Reigel is quite a guy.He also finished second at The Masters. I don't remember the year. I've played a few holes with him and the late Max Hankin at Commonwealth where he was, at one time, Pro Emeritus. I think he now is associated in some way with Cape May National where there is a local PGA section tournament named in his honor. At one time, Skee operated the driving range and gave lessons at Burholme Park in northeast Philly, my original golfing home.

Steve

From the Cape May National Web site (which, unaccountably, neglects to mention his playing with Tom I; N.B. the part I've  ***************'d):

Robert Henry ‘Skee’ Riegel

`‘Skee’ nickname

Only USGA contestant listed in USGA Record Book by his nickname.

1947 - US Amateur at Pebble Beach

1946 - Championship: Shot 69-67 at Baltustrol in New Jersey. Tiger Woods shot 69-67 to qualify for his third US Amateur. Held record for 33 years as lowest qualifier rounds until 1979.

1947 - US Amateur beating John Davison 2 + 1.

Played in 11 straight Masters. 1951 - Second to Ben Hogan leader in clubhouse. Leading tournament in the last round with Sam Snead. Skee shot 71.

Stopped playing for full time in 1952 - 53.

1947 - Walker Cup Match. St. Andrews - Capt. Frances Ouimet

Riegel undefeated - passed against the best - Freilt played Joe Carr and Cecil Ewing.

In singles Riegel beat the English Amateur Champion 6 and 5. Americans won Walker Cup 8 - 4.

**************************Return trip on the Queen Elizabeth: Shimmy up the smoke stack, ‘Man Overboard’********************


1949 - Winged Foot: Walker Cup Match (Skee was invited back this year to celebrate US Walker Cup heroius team won (10 - 2).

Skee was undefeated at Winged Foot

US Amateur - Pebble Beach

Walker Cup undefeated - St. Andrews

Walker Cup undefeated - Winged Foot

Second Place Masters - Augusta National

 

Active touring pro: 1950 to 1952-53

 

1. CAREER:

 

1940 Two years after first golf lesson qualified for US Amateur at Winged Foot

1941 Field Club - US Amateur got to third round

1942 Florida Amateur won

1946 US Amateur low qualifier - Baltrustrol

1947 Pebble Beach Amateur

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Andy Doyle

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2004, 01:30:54 PM »
I'm guessing that his father-in-law would have to be Phil Niekro, the only player receiving enough votes in 1997 for induction into the Hall of Fame.

From a life-long Braves fans,

Andy

THuckaby2

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2004, 01:32:02 PM »
Tom Huckaby,
Do you remember who the guy with one arm was?

Sam - no - I'm not sure I ever got his full name - this was at a public course in SoCal and a long time ago... I was in high school (so make that app 25 yrs ago).. I sure do remember the round... this guy was pretty darn good.  But whipping my sorry ass just meant getting it in low 80s at that point.  Hell that often still works today....  :'(

wsmorrison

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2004, 01:33:54 PM »
Sorry, Jeff.  I guess it was a detail left out.  Why the Whiteness himself, Richie Ashburn.  Look up his stats if you're not familiar with him.  He may have been the greatest defensive outfielder of all time (50 or more putouts a year more than Willie Mays) and the prototypical leadoff hitter.  Tied with the Say Hey Kid for fastest player from home to first (Rich was fastest from first to third) of his generation.  Not bad for a blacksmith's son from a tiny town in Nebraska.  When he was 11 major league scouts travelled to see him play American Legion ball.  We have some of the scout's films.  The chest protector was about as big as he was.  He was immediately switched to centerfield during his first spring training when the pitcher failed to cover first on a bunt down the first base line and Rich beat the runner to the bag for a 3-2 putout.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2004, 01:34:50 PM »
Dan

Thanks for the post re Skee Riegel's career. He was one of the greats of his time. I forgot how much he accomplished other than his Am and Masters.
Steve
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Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Dan Kelly

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Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2004, 01:36:04 PM »
Because my father-in-law was elected into the Hall in 1997...

Wayne --

I believe it was 1995. Time flies!

I'm vaguely remembering telling you, previously (or maybe not!), that when I was a kid, Richie Ashburn was my favorite player in the All American Baseball board game (the game with the disks that fit over the spinners; the one with the Wrigley Field backdrop).

Richie Ashburn had a TINY home-run slot -- but HUGE singles slots. Man, did he get a lot of singles. Lots of doubles and triples, too, if I remember right. And was near-impossible to strike out.

Too bad defense didn't come into the game, or he'd have had no competition for my favorite player.
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wsmorrison

Re:Who was the most interesting golfer....
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2004, 01:36:16 PM »
Andy,

Who was the only Braves player to play for the team in Boston, Milwaukee, and Atlanta?