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Mark_Rowlinson

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Course Maps - publishing question
« on: November 23, 2004, 10:36:19 AM »
Three questions:

1.  All the original artwork for World Atlas of Golf disappeared long ago.  When I came to reinstate Ganton and NGLA (both inexpicably removed in some previous edition) they ended up having to photocopy a first edition and touch them up in Photoshop or similar, but they're still not a patch on the originals.  Is there a computer program out there which can do a better job?

2.  Almost all the World Atlas of Golf maps are woefully out of date, bunkers have been added or deleted, lakes added, you name it....  Because the originals were paintings and are, as I say, lost, is there a program which could scan these things and store them in an electronic fashion so that they could be altered easily each time there's an update?  

3.  I often draw course maps and plans for my own records or occasionally as references for a publisher.  I do them to scale in pencil.  Is there a computer programme which will do this for me (Mac or PC) if I put in the relevant information about distances and orientation?  I suppose I'm looking for a finished product not unlike the Strokesaver Guides but of the whole course, not individual holes.  Clearly I don't need a massively powerful and expensive golf course design program.

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Course Maps - publishing question
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 10:51:55 AM »
Is there a computer program out there which can do a better job?

Mark,
In a word, No! GIGO is the phrase which comes into mind here. (Garbage In, Garbage Out). Images scanned from printed documents are inherently of much poorer quality than the original. (Printers use only 4 colours of ink to create all those lovely colours (look through a magnifying glass at any printed document and you'll see the 4-colour 'moire' pattern).

is there a program which could scan these things and store them in an electronic fashion so that they could be altered easily each time there's an update?

Photoshop is the industry standard for Scanning and re-touching any images. There are WAY more expensive better proprietary systems out there, but you're talking Thousands of Pounds...

Is there a computer programme which will do this for me (Mac or PC) if I put in the relevant information about distances and orientation?  I suppose I'm looking for a finished product not unlike the Strokesaver Guides but of the whole course, not individual holes.  Clearly I don't need a massively powerful and expensive golf course design program.

A good workaround for this is to use Powerpoint or similar to draw simple versions of holes. Combined with a 'TabletPC' or similar (one that you can actually draw directly on the Screen) you can get quick relatively good renderings of most details.

Let's talk by IM if you need any further advice!

Cheers,
Martin.
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Course Maps - publishing question
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 02:06:52 PM »
Martin,

Thanks for that helpful info.  It's incredibly frustrating to be unable to recreate the old painted images and the cost of commissioning new ones is very high.  

There are one or two suggestions (via IM and E-mail) for various suitable drawing programs so I'll have to do a bit of exploration round the PC and Mac emporia.

Did you ever find out where that buxom wench was photographed????

George Pazin

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Re:Course Maps - publishing question
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 03:40:32 PM »
Speaking as someone in the graphics industry (which makes me only the tiniest bit more qualified than my good buddy Joe Sixpack),

1) There is no computer program than can come close to the artist's renderings in the past Atlases - that's kind of like comparing the graphics in a Pixar film to the work of a great artist - Pixar films are impressive technologically, but pale artistically in comparison to even a good comic book artist, IMHO;

2) Photoshop is indeed the industry standard, but a good designer might find it easier to update things in Illustrator - kind of depends on the style of the artwork - something like the Stroke Saver yardage guides would be much easier and quicker to update in Illustrator - neither comes close to the real deal of an artist, however;

3) Even though I haven't seen your drawings, I'd guess I'd prefer them to any computer drawings. If you really want to do computer drawings, I'd go with Illustrator or CorelDRAW.

My advice would be to either spend the $$$ on a real artist, or if you are looking to save $$$, go to an art school and work with some young artists who are eager to work.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 03:44:42 PM by George Pazin »
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Greg Holland

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Re:Course Maps - publishing question
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 03:43:40 PM »
Check out http://www.artistsgolf.com/courses.htm.  You might be able to make arrangements to use some of these if appropriate.  

John Foley

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Re:Course Maps - publishing question
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 06:55:01 PM »
Mark,

I've played around a little trying to do some maps/routings/renderings and I've  realized, the drawing programs (Corel Draw & Phot-paint) available are extremly powerfull, however:

-starting from scratch it takes a looong time to get proficient at this.
-whatever you attempt will never look as good as what a true artist can produce. It's the old talent game. While we can all golf, we're not all talented.

It's fun, but it's time consuming.

The diagrams Greg noted are very good, but I beleive they are hand drawn.
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