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Jerry Kluger

Unusual Opening Holes
« on: November 10, 2004, 02:09:51 PM »
I was reading another thread which dealt with identifying a hole and it turns out that the consensus is that the photograph was of Columbia CC.  I played Columbia a number of years ago and my recollection is that when you come out of the golf shop you have to walk to the right to get to the first tee and you tee off back in the direction you came from.  So everyone standing outside the golf shop and the bag room can really be concerned when someone is going off number one, especially a lefthander.  What other unusual first holes have you experienced?

Jeff_Mingay

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 02:26:59 PM »
At Redtail, here in Ontario, Canada, you cross the 18th fairway (about 100 yards short of the green) en route to the 1st tee.

It's kind of unusual, but neat. I like it.
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john_stiles

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 02:55:43 PM »
For unusual, the first at Elie (Scotland) should be mentioned.

The tee shot on the straight, short par 4 is blind, up and over a steep hill.  The starter peers through a submarine periscope to see when the fairway (directly up and over the hill) is clear for you to tee off the first.

Kenny Lee Puckett

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2004, 02:59:49 PM »
Ardsley C.C. in Metro NYC Area/Westchester.

8-9 Iron off of a 80 Foot high cliff blind to lay up to a pond, before another 9 iron/PW to the green.

You can always bomb driver and hope from 300Yards.

Not my idea of a great opener, just unusual.

JWK

Brad Tufts

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 04:29:45 PM »
Bass Rocks Golf Club.  Par 4.  About 360.

A blind tee shot over a hill, and the landing area is filled with several large rock outcroppings and is crossed by a public road.  It is not a long hole, but a driver is needed to have a chance to carry all the rocks/roads involved.  A layup with a long iron or fairway wood (or a driver shot for the average player) puts the ball right in the thick of things, so to say.  A local rule recently instituted gives one clublength off of rocks between blue stakes that pretty much encompass the rough area.  A good idea, but not in effect during tournaments, like this year's Mass. Amateur qualifier.  

I used to think the hole was impossible before I gained some driver accuracy, but it can be conquered with a 230-yd carry.

I have heard of shots that have hit the rocks in the middle of the fairway and bounded OB, which, by the way, is on both sides of the hole corridor.  Of course, all of this you cannot see from the tee, which is about 50 feet down in front of the hillside.

--Brad

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So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

A_Clay_Man

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 05:20:28 PM »
Cypress Point has a very unusual start. Teeing off over the road to nothing visible. Probably doesn't matter in the fog.

TEPaul

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2004, 06:53:04 PM »
"At Redtail, here in Ontario, Canada, you cross the 18th fairway (about 100 yards short of the green) en route to the 1st tee.
It's kind of unusual, but neat. I like it."

Jeff;

Do you know the real reason they insisted the 18th at Redtail be the way it is? That's a bit more unusual and frankly nothing like I've heard before in golf and architecture.

Jeff_Mingay

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 07:22:34 PM »
Tom,

Sorry, I don't understand your question about 18 at Redtail... elaborate, please. Then we can discuss!
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Scott_Burroughs

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2004, 12:09:43 AM »
#1 at Plainfield is similar to what Jerry described in the original post, the tee is set back and the tee shot goes by the side of the clubhouse.  A hoselrocket by a righty or a toejob by a lefty dents it.

Phil_the_Author

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2004, 12:30:05 AM »
The 1st hole at Dellwood (it was originally #10) has a second shot that plays across an ACTIVE local city street and up a hill to a green that sits about 60+ feet above the fairway. Someone has to watch out for car traffic before anyone can hit.

Also, the ninth hole plays back down this same hill and across the street. Because of the dangers posed, no one is allowed to hit a driver and there is a local rule of a one stroke penalty for any tee shot that reaches or clears the street!

This is an orginal Tillinghast design & basically unchanged in routing and greens since it was built. A bunker "restoration" done a few years ago because the membership found them to be "too difficult" is slowly being reversed.

Great greens and well worth the effort to play it if you can.

Dennis_Harwood

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2004, 01:08:56 AM »
No 1 at Capilano in Vancouver, BC is a bit unusual-- The back tee is behind the practice putting green and directly in front of the grill (within 2 1/5 club lengths)-- Before hitting you have to clear the practice putting green to hit over it, and if the grill windows are open try to quiet the diners.

Carnoustie's No 1 I find strange (mounds etc).

James Edwards

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2004, 08:04:58 AM »
Dennis, out of interest, why do the mounds make it strange for you?

James
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hoggmeister

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2004, 08:41:47 PM »
Prestwick and North Berwick.

peter_p

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2004, 11:02:05 PM »
At Salmon Run in Brookings Oregon you tee off across the parking lot, though the elevated tees are far enough back from the edge that you couldn't see any cars.


jeffwarne

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2004, 11:46:45 PM »
Portnoo-Ireland
You tee off accross #18 green-from a nonelevated tee
We played down the 18th fairway backwards by accident(it looked more logical)and it wasn't over a green
We were the only people there-including staff(It was the ungodly hour of 9:30 am)
First hole and a half(and last 2 holes) are populated by grazing cows(and their residue)-you cross through a gate (please close it !) to play the other 15 and 1/2 holes
awesome course-5-14 are a mini Ballybunion-
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Doug Siebert

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2004, 01:42:28 AM »
North Berwick is an interesting choice.  It isn't so much that the hole is terribly unusual, but in a way it has the highest potential for unnecessary disaster you'll face during the entire round, which is unusual for the first hole on any course so highly regarded.  I'd sure hate to get off to a bad start on #1 on such an easy course.  At least at a place where you expect to be punished, like Prestwick, starting out with a double isn't going to affect you mentally as much.
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Jeff Fortson

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2004, 02:28:58 AM »
I have to agree with James Keever, #1 at Ardsley C.C. in the NYC area is the most unusual starting hole I have ever played.

8-iron, 8-iron.


Jeff F.
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Bill_McBride

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2004, 04:14:31 AM »
Painswick.  :o The first is 227 yd par 4 played straight uphill. The pitch to the pin is dead blind up over a grassy bunker. The hole works in spite of the short length because of the steepness of the hill.  They keep the "fairway" at short rough length; if it were cut tight, tee shots would roll back to your feet!

Brian_Ewen

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2004, 09:48:16 AM »
Royal Aberdeens opener with the tee , hard back against the clubhouse windows , on a busy day .

Scary !

Jerry Kluger

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2004, 09:53:06 AM »
Burning Tree has a similar hole, although I believe it is number 10 where you are at ground level and directly behind you is the lunch room and a large picture window.  That room is part of what makes Burning Tree great as it has rows of tables and you sit down wherever and it could be next a Senator, Representative, Corp. CEO, etc.

Lester George

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2004, 03:31:54 PM »
Oakhurst in WVA.  About as different as it gets, especially since you are playing with hickory shafts and a rubber ball.  Drive around alarge tree to a sloping fairway.  Next shot is over a road to 1000 s.f. green with a large trench on the near side of the road (no run-up).  Watch out for the sheep, if you hit one it is a penalty.

LG

Jonathan Cummings

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2004, 03:59:32 PM »
Lester - EVERY hole at Oakhurst is unusual!  There is not one thing usual about anything at Oakhurst.  

How's the James River thing going?  Give me a ring sometime, I'd like to chat with you about it.

JC

Steve_ Shaffer

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2004, 05:57:04 PM »
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the first at Merion East. It's not an unusual hole but the tee is next to the dining patio and it becomes quiet when a golfer is about to tee off. No mulligans either. :)
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john_stiles

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2004, 11:16:39 PM »

The road to the beach on the first at TOC is pretty cool and somewhat famous.

Donnie Beck

Re:Unusual Opening Holes
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2004, 11:42:44 PM »
I think it is the 8th hole at Goose Run on the Sub Base in Groton, CT that plays 90 degrees directly across the 1st fairway.  I have never quite figured that one out.

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