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« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 11:23:39 AM by Noel Freeman »

TEPaul

Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2004, 02:14:39 PM »
That's a very fine review by Steve Smyers, nothing exactly new in it though.

I'm very sorry to hear they still have those palm trees along that bunker line dividing the two fairways on #15. Those things detract from the function and effectiveness and what would otherwise be greater use of that left fairway by some. They hurt that hole now and they always have. I thought they took them out recently and I'm very sorry to hear they haven't.

Adam_Messix

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Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2004, 03:40:17 PM »
Steve Smyers' article is very well put and a good description of a great place.  I find it interesting that his description has the yardages of both 6 and 15 significantly longer than they were during the winter of 2004.  The  15th at 550 yards would be quite a hole if they could possibly squeeze that kind of yardage out of it.  It's not so much the distance as it is the proximity of the 11th and 14th greens.  Those trees behind the bunkers do detract from the hole, but who's to say they are still there after that hurricanes came through.  Apparantly, a lot of trees are gone and many are defoliated.  Same scenario as far as yardage for #6.  

I talked to a member today that informed me that Seminole is opening for the season this week.  

TEPaul

Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2004, 05:20:46 PM »
Adam:

If they measure that 15th hole through the middle of it which may be out through that middle bunker line it may be 550 yards. But if somebody hits it straight at the right of that second pond it's obviously a lot shorter than that from the tee to the green.

Did you ever hear about the time Sam Snead, in a big tournament, hit a drive right at that second pond off the tee and went into it and they made him drop it back behind the first pond!   ;)
« Last Edit: October 25, 2004, 05:23:24 PM by TEPaul »

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2004, 09:16:07 PM »
TEPaul,

Surprisingly, I agree with you with respect to the palm trees on # 15.  I think it would be a far better hole without them.
Today, I don't see the practical application of using the left side fairway.

A 1929 rendering doesn't seem to reflect their existance, and possibly, after this past hurricane season, they'll be gone.
I also wonder what the photo in the men's locker room shows.
This was the photo taken before Wilson's work on # 18.

It would be interesting to know when they were inserted.

Doug_Feeney

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Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2004, 09:44:06 PM »
Smyers mentions that Ross added several strategic lakes betweent the dunes.  For some reason this surprised me to hear.  I have never played Seminole, but I know the area and understand the land it is built upon.

1.)  Was this necessary for drainage?  As sandy as the soil is that would surprise me.

2.)  Was the practice of creating lakes used much at the time Seminole was built?

3.)  Could the course be as good without water in play?

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2004, 11:29:18 PM »
Doug,
Smyers mentions that Ross added several strategic lakes betweent the dunes.  For some reason this surprised me to hear.  I have never played Seminole, but I know the area and understand the land it is built upon.

1.)  Was this necessary for drainage?  As sandy as the soil is that would surprise me.

2.)  Was the practice of creating lakes used much at the time Seminole was built?

3.)  Could the course be as good without water in play?


I don't know if he created lakes where no waterway existed, rather, I think he may have expanded waterways to form lakes.

Sitting between two fairly large dunes, water has to drain somewhere, and south of the property seems prudent, otherwise it would flood with heavy rains.

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CHC1948

Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2004, 09:29:18 AM »
I met with Hal Hicks several years ago and he explained that the waterways were for drainage and flood control purposes.  I do think Seminole would be a fine golf course without this much water, however it doesn't hurt.  

I love #7 at Seminole....it is a true "what you see is what you get", however the design seems a little different than any other Ross hole I've seen.  If anyone can shed some light on this matter, I would appreciate it.

Doug_Feeney

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Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2004, 10:18:48 AM »

I don't know if he created lakes where no waterway existed, rather, I think he may have expanded waterways to form lakes.

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Thanks for the response Patrick.  The idea of expanding pre-existing waterways makes more sense to me than the idea of Ross actually "adding several lakes."
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 10:19:34 AM by Doug_Feeney »

Dan Kelly

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Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2004, 10:24:25 AM »
Who published this piece?

Credit should be given.
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Steve Smyers and the Secrets of Seminole
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2004, 10:45:54 AM »
Who published this piece?

Credit should be given.

T&L Golf:

link here
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