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JakaB

Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« on: September 24, 2004, 09:05:54 AM »
Which course is yesterdays news....is it time to move the Masters...

A_Clay_Man

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2004, 09:09:39 AM »
Which course is yesterdays news....is it time to move the Masters...

Since this is pure fantasy, one would hope, if it did happen, it would send a strong signal to those who want to disfigure their lay-outs?

Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2004, 09:25:56 AM »
A couple of years ago, I believe Brad Klein did a piece in Golfweek on where the Masters would go if there was some sort of natural catastrophy in Augusta and the event couldn't be played on Augusta National.  He made quite a few good picks but the former PR guy from the real estate side of the island send him a note reminding him of The Ocean Course which he left off his list.  Maybe Brad could enlighten us of which courses he picked...

TEPaul

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2004, 09:35:12 AM »
The Masters is ANGC and a large part of ANGC is the Masters. If some castrophe happened and ANGC was no more I'd hope the Masters tournament would be no more too if ANGC was not recreated. What if Paris was no more should they recreate the Eiffel Tower in some other city? Don't anwser that Kelly Blake Moran!  ;)

If some castrophe took out ANGC the proper thing to do would be to get Coore & Crenshaw to recreate ANGC using the exact plans of MacKenzie and Jones. ;) Only this time the club could pay the grand-niece of Alister Mackenzie what the club owes MacKenzie for the first course!

George Pazin

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2004, 09:38:58 AM »
Tom P -

They already have at least 2 spare Eiffel Towers that I know of - one in Vegas and one at Kings Island outside Cincinnati! Heck, no one even need go to Europe anymore, now that there is a Paris and a Venetian in Vegas.

As to the topic at hand, I like the idea of moving it to #2. Can't comment on Sand Hills, other than to say it would nice to see the Masters there so that I could see the course.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2004, 09:41:46 AM »
I believe Brad's article was if something happened a couple of weeks out from the event, not totally destroying the course but making it unplayable that year, where would it go.  One thing that our Director of Golf, Roger Warren (soon to be President of the PGA of America) is keen on is making sure that The Ocean Course remains in tournament condition 365 days of the year.  The only thing we would have to do is mow down the greens to get them rolling a bit faster (we can mow the paspalum to 1/10 of an inch!).  I would also suggest topdressing the fairways to get them stimping to around 8... :-*

RJ_Daley

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2004, 09:42:51 AM »
I thought they had announced that in an event that the course was hit by damaging floods (which it was in the off season once-destroying #s 11,2,13 greens-but they rebuilt them prior to toon-a-mint) they would move up to Pinehurst temporarily...
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A_Clay_Man

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2004, 09:57:03 AM »
Seems sensible to evolve past "the masters".

Sand Hills would work but only if there were no spectators allowed.  To make-up for the lost revenue since there wont be a tent to sell us over-priced garb...

I hate saying this but... Pay per view match play. Covered by a silently hovering  grayhawk or predator drones, combined with a zillion of those mini cams, spread throughout the grounds. Ya know the ones that let us see the players cards in Texas Hold-em.

There'd have to be at least a million people who'd pay $50 to watch the 32 person specially invited field, battle it out, over 5 days.

All we need is for the geroge herbert walker bush's of this world, to use their influence, to make it happen. But if that were gonna happen, do you think Yale would be Yale, still?

Brian_Gracely

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2004, 09:57:37 AM »
There's only one logical choice.....Shadow Creek.

Fazio finally gets a major at one of his courses (ANGC likes Fazio)

The Strip is similar to Washington Rd. in terms of wall to wall businesses

High-Rollers get inexpensive food at ANGC, but they get FREE food in Vegas

Hootie finally gets his wish and The Masters is on Pay-per-View....but would Don King want a piece of the action?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 09:57:55 AM by Brian_Gracely »

TEPaul

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2004, 10:06:47 AM »
ANGC really doesn't need spectators anymore. They've been using things like "virtual flowers" and "virtual ultra Green grass" and "virtual blue pond water" for years anyway so with their money they've developed a plan to use "virtual spectators" complete with a master rheostat to ratchet up and down the roar of the crowd through the pines depending on the significance of the shot being played! I've even heard they're thinking of allowing some guy called Barney from the Midwest somewhere to control that "crowd roar" rheostat!

Mike Hendren

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2004, 10:07:41 AM »
John,

I would only move the Masters to make way for the U. S. Open.  

There is no better championship course in America than Augusta National Golf Club's, IMHO.

There is no better members course in American than Auguata National Golf Club's, IMHO.  

Mike

Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

JakaB

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2004, 12:37:33 PM »
Wouldn't Sand Hills need to be toughened up to create the excitement we see at the Masters year after year......Does someone finally need to ask the hard question...."Does Crenshaw have the heart to build a real championship course...is he just too nice a guy.."

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2004, 01:02:43 PM »
John,

Rather than trying to convince Ben Crenshaw to build "real championship courses", why not take the more enlightened approach of eliminating "real championships" altogether?

We don't need such events, so why encourage architects to waste time and money building such courses?
Tim Weiman

Phil_the_Author

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2004, 01:05:07 PM »
I believe there is only one course in America that could host the Masters in place of Augusta - Shinnecock Hills.

It is the masterpiece of American links golf & arguably the finest course in the world. The course would be prepared in-house and so the course set-up would reflect true shot-making and actual course strategy. If it was moved to May the flowers on Long island would be very much in bloom, and the best reason of all for moving it there - it would keep it from ever hosting another U.S. Open!

JakaB

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2004, 01:08:18 PM »
Help I've fallen and I can't get my fat ass back in my chair....Phil my boy...when did you stop touting the all emcompassing greatness of Bethpage Black.....I think I just hurt something..

JakaB

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2004, 01:18:08 PM »
Tim,

You don't really believe the game could continue without championships of the highest level....You just got to see who gets the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes to make this game worth the effort.....The game would fall like the Berlin Wall without competition to promote growth of skill...I do hope professional Hockey never comes back as that would be a great experiment to see how the rest of the sport survives..
« Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 01:42:33 PM by John B. Kavanaugh »

Jim Franklin

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2004, 01:45:34 PM »
Trust me - Oakmont could handle any toonamint you wanted. As for Sand Hills, the greens are pretty quick and I daresay they could put pins in some impossible places if you wanted to make it tough. Get the wind from the north and look out.
Mr Hurricane

Keith Williams

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2004, 02:20:16 PM »
I remember reading the article mentioned above and I believe that a number of "replacement" sites were mentioned as a result of suggestions from people other than Brad, like Jack Nicklaus and such.  I don't remember all of the options outlined, but they included the likes of Seminole, Peachtree, whatever the local Augusta Muni is called and the ANGC Par 3 course.  Jack, I believe, said that there could be no Masters without the course, so there could be no replacement.

Keith.

Phil_the_Author

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2004, 02:24:38 PM »
John,

Sorry to hear that "your fat ass" is hurting! The only reason for not suggesting the Black is because it is a much better course in June when the world's great players need to be reminded that there is this quality called humility!

And who knows, maybe one of these days soon The Black will be recognized as the finest course of all!  ;D

John_Cullum

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2004, 02:37:44 PM »
You boys don't  really believe we would ever let the Masters cross the state line, do you? They could just hop the fence and go play it at Augusta CC, but since there is no reciprocity, the ACC members would tell them to go to hell I would hope. So then they would have to venture up to Peachtree where most of the ANGC members who really count are also members.
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Jfaspen

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2004, 03:04:05 PM »
A couple of years ago, I believe Brad Klein did a piece in Golfweek on where the Masters would go if there was some sort of natural catastrophy in Augusta and the event couldn't be played on Augusta National.  He made quite a few good picks but the former PR guy from the real estate side of the island send him a note reminding him of The Ocean Course which he left off his list.  Maybe Brad could enlighten us of which courses he picked...

I remember the article well.  He talked about some flooding that occured and listed some courses where the masters could be moved.
I know Augusta Country Club and Seminole were 2 choices.

Jeff

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2004, 03:40:22 PM »
For my money, I'd move it to Pine Valley (of course, PV could be held up with frost delays in the spring when the Masters should be played.)

If PV isn't the world's best course, I don't know what is.

And, yes, you would have to significantly limit the number of 'patrons'...
« Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 03:41:20 PM by Dan Herrmann »

JakaB

Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2004, 03:55:10 PM »
Dan,

Are the greens at Pine Valley good enough to hold the modern Masters viewers interest....In all honesty, hasn't that course seen its time come and gone.   Davis Lee Roth ate its lunch with a one iron for Gods sake...

Jim Franklin

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2004, 04:06:45 PM »
JB -

I believe PV's greens can be made fast enough to entertain the PGA tour player. The green complexes are fine and the new length certainly helps. While it is not the longest course in the world, the greens would hold up fine.
Mr Hurricane

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Sand Hills vs ANGC...would you move the Masters
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2004, 04:11:22 PM »
Dan,

...In all honesty, hasn't that course seen its time come and gone.  

You're kidding, right?