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Bill_McBride

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Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« on: June 16, 2004, 06:23:05 PM »
Last weekend a buddy from Pensacola and I flew to Atlanta, drove to Athens and Greenville SC, played three very solid Southern golf courses, and flew home.  A long weekend of heat and humidity which typifies Southern golf in the summer time.  No wonder the US Open isn't often played in the South, unless you consider Tulsa OK the South.

Friday we played a very enjoyable round at Athens CC in Athens, GA, a solid Donald Ross course built in 1925, apparently without a lot of supervision but based on an outstanding routing.  The course revolves around a 45 acre lake; Ross took pains to require only two shots across the lake, and neither over 170 yards.  The routing takes you all around the course with constant reversing of direction.  Somehow the super is maintaining an excellent set of bent grass greens.  The conditions were excellent, somewhere between lush and firm.  Apparently the college kids are chewing up the course in the Southern Intercollegiate, so some new back tees can be seen in a few places.  I had last played the course in 1965, so the tree count was much higher than my previous visit.

Bob Crosby was nice enough to play with us in a three ball, Mike Young being incapacitated with a bum knee which was scoped this Monday.  

Saturday morning we drove to Hartwell Georgia, just south of the South Carolina border and east of I-85, where we played another solid Southern course on another hot and sticky day.  Cateechee Golf Club is a 1998 Mike Young design, and is set in a 475 acre site of rolling terrain and some extreme elevation changes.  Like many good designs, this one looks intimidating and certainly can be tough if you don't play patiently and hit for the middle of the greens.  There are some very tricky pin placements which can lead to short siding if you get carried away with your possible accuracy!  The most exciting hole on the course is the 428 yd #10 (we played from the second tees, the tips on this hole were back there at 462!).  The tee shot is hit toward a horizon fairway, nothing visible until you get to the ball and discover a severe drop off into a chasm which must be carried, hopefully on the 2nd shot, over a pair of ponds at the bottom.  The lay up area is at the bottom of a slope just before the drop off; a gas pipeline required the fairway to be held at that elevation.  The result is a dramatic hole to say the least.

My favorite hole was the brawny par 5 #17, 616 yards, with a hollow to the right to catch pushed tee shots (like mine), cross bunkers to catch the underhit 2nd shot (I laid up to 180), and a fairly large green to which I nailed a 4 iron to 6'.  

Another interesting hole is the very short (278 yds from our tee, 305 from the tips) par 4 #15, which appears to have a split fairway.  However, the central and lower area which looks like a fairway is actually fairly short rough.  The best play is to the actual fairway up to the right, and then a pitch down the length of the green.

Cateechee is filled with interesting challenges like that, and is fun to play.

Sunday we finished off the sweat fest at Musgrove Mill outside Greenville SC.  Again, this is a strong course in the South.  Daryl Boe posted some photos on an earlier thread and I wrote a brief review of this intimidating and demanding course.  Like a lot of really good courses, this one will be easier in the future as the route to the hole is not always the short route!  The fairways almost always look much narrower from the tee than they are once you are out there in the fairway.  Almost every hole had this feature.  Most of the par 5's had a "Hell's Half Acre" feature where a good tee shot was required to get in position to carry the hazard / bunkers / rough with the next shot.

All I can say about June golf in the South is, what did we do before carts?

Stay tuned for information about playing both Athens CC and Cateechee at your option before or after the November outing in Cuscowilla.  The weather is guaranteed to be cooler!


Mike Benham

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 06:54:23 PM »

All I can say about June golf in the South is, what did we do before carts?


I played Southwood (Couples/Bates in Tallahassee) this morning and the heat / humidity was something ... after 2 days of solid rain (3-5 inches, much needed I am told ...), there was standing water on the elevated tee boxes ...

Mike
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Gary_Smith

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 07:02:49 PM »
"All I can say about June golf in the South is, what did we do before carts?"

Well, the answer is that we walked. Some of us still do, in long pants, and carry our own bags, and don't have a problem with it.

Carlyle Rood

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 07:08:42 PM »
For all the talk about wind affecting golf, I think folks outside the South would be surprised how much HUMIDITY affects your golf!  ;D

C

Alfie

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2004, 07:14:39 PM »
"All I can say about June golf in the South is, what did we do before carts?"

Well, the answer is that we walked. Some of us still do, in long pants, and carry our own bags, and don't have a problem with it.
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Well said Gary ! Legs are an integral part of the game.

Alfie

A_Clay_Man

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2004, 07:37:36 PM »
If it were summer, yet?

Sounds great Bill. Thanx for shar'in

BCrosby

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2004, 09:42:51 PM »
You can play golf in the South in the summer in long pants carrying your own bag. I did it day after day as a kid.

But if you are playing for the first time after a couple of weeks in an air conditioned office and the heat and humidity don't get to you, you are a better man than I.

Bob

Carlyle Rood

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2004, 09:46:33 PM »
I recommend shorts, suds, and sunscreen.

C

Bill_McBride

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2004, 10:27:01 PM »
Gary Smith, where do you live, where do you play?  I walk all fall/winter/spring, when summer hits the deep south, I am suddenly a rider of the golf cart!

Carlyle, "suds" are bad for you, dehydrating, etc.  But can lubricate your swing if necessary!   ;)

Gerry B

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2004, 12:21:19 AM »
If  you think the south is hot and humid -go due east about 700 miles from Cape Hatteras , NC to Bermuda. I resided there in the late 90's. Try walking and carrying your bag at Mid Ocean or even worse Castle Harbour -now called Tuckers Point on a mid august afternoon.The elevation changes at Castle Harbour reminded one of the von trapp family escaping to switzerland after winning the singing contest in the Sound of Music. We had velcro strips installed on our bags to hang and air out the 6 gloves that we would have to rotate between holes. Some days we would have to resort to Rain Gloves it got so bad. Hosted many a golfer from the Northeast who were in most cases hard pressed to finish the round. They would laugh at the site of a clothesline of golf gloves and we would respond with " you will understand before the turn"

There is a scale in the locker at Mid Ocean. We would do the pre and post round weigh in, drink plenty of water every hole and still drop 5 pounds during the round.

 8)

Gary_Smith

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2004, 09:48:02 AM »
Gary Smith, where do you live, where do you play?  I walk all fall/winter/spring, when summer hits the deep south, I am suddenly a rider of the golf cart!

Carlyle, "suds" are bad for you, dehydrating, etc.  But can lubricate your swing if necessary!   ;)

Bill,

Louisiana, primarily public courses, walk and carry all year round. Love it. It makes me feel good.  :)

Lou_Duran

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2004, 10:00:48 AM »
No place can be worse than Houston, TX for heat/humidity.  At 7:30 a.m., walking, one is completely soaked through within a half an hour.

Mike Hendren

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2004, 10:11:19 AM »
Lou, Houston might indeed be a match for Memphis, a regular Disco Inferno!

I'm still hurting from walking/carrying in Huntsville, AL yesterday a.m. in overcast skies and mid-80's temps.  The humidity is now brutal.  I admitted to the Mrs. last night that it might finally be time to play a little cartball as the years and lbs are taking their toll.  

Gary Smith, you are not well.

Alfie my lad, as a resident of Scotland you have absolutely no business commenting on summer weather in THE South.  I would have given a dozen ProV's for five minutes of the hail, sleet and wind I played in at Carnoustie on about the 16th hole yesterday ;)

Mike
« Last Edit: June 17, 2004, 10:16:58 AM by Mike_Hendren »
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2004, 10:29:45 AM »
I also walked 36 a day in long pants as a youth in Monroe Louisiana. The humidity was so high(100%) and there was little to no wind in July and August unless a thunderstorm was 5 minutes away. It is hot but I was near 30 before the humidity really started impacting my ability to play at 100% for 18 holes. Lou, Houston has wind from the gulf. Move eastnortheast 100 miles and you get into the area where the wind does not blow it sucks. lol
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Alfie

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2004, 03:33:43 PM »
Mike,

I have every right to comment on the beautiful humidity we endure in THE South..........of Scotland ? Hail, sleet and wind at Carnoustie ? You must have been dreaming - it's usually far worse than that in THE North !  ;D

By the way - I'll happily give a dozen gutta percha's to caddie for any of you guys in THE South.

Alfie

Brian_Gracely

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2004, 04:12:47 PM »

By the way - I'll happily give a dozen gutta percha's to caddie for any of you guys in THE South.

Alfie

Just got done playing the 1st round of the NC-Am.  It was about 94 today.  I drank at least 12-15 gatorade bottles of water and didn't have to pee once.......it was hot!!  Riding was not allowed.

Alfie,

Jump on the next plane and get over here.  You can caddy for me tomorrow  ;D

Carlyle Rood

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2004, 05:12:53 PM »
I also walked 36 a day in long pants as a youth in Monroe Louisiana.

And I'm guessing that all the holes were uphill, too!  ;)

Alfie

Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2004, 05:44:50 PM »
Brian,

All those fluids, and not even a wee piddle ? You want to get that checked my friend  ;)

I hope your score was a lot lower than 94 ?

Would absolutely love to come over and caddie for you, but the last time I tried to jump a plane, the bloody thing was going too fast for me !  ;D

Thanks for a kind post a while back. I did notice it.

Alfie.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2004, 08:18:26 PM »
Carlyle, I would love to make this sound like the walk two miles to school story but it is true. However Bayou Desaird CC is flat plus or minus 5 feet. Alfie, i am afraid that is how much himidy there is. heck I go through 4 or 5 bottles riding in a cart without a drop making it through the system. It is not August yet either.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2004, 09:28:20 PM »
Two additional constants in the South this time of year besides the humidity:

1. you can almost hear the bermuda rough growing!  The maintenance crews literally cannot mow fast enough.  A missed fairway (even by a foot) will be a bogey or worse, guaranteed.

2. the daily weather forecast:  partly cloudy, hazy, hot and humid, highs in the low to mid-90's, low's in the mid-70's, and a 40% possiblity of afternoon thundershowers.  This is THE forecast, every single day, from now until Labor Day, at least.
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2004, 11:37:10 PM »
OK everyone has been putting in their 2 cents worth on where is the worst heat/humidity.  I will end the controversy, buy advising that Old Spice Co recently published their yearly list of the best (or worst depending on how you look at it) cities for perspiration.  And my beloved home of Greenville, SC finished second.  Watch out El Paso we are gunning for you next year.  I am not sure how they came up with this, but I dont know that I agree, I have been to alot of places that seem worse, but heck you take whatever publicity you can I guess.  I am sure this will be a boon to tourism.

As Bill McBride attested to it has been quite hot and humid the last few days.
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Doug Siebert

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2004, 11:56:02 PM »
Oh geez, not the yearly half whining/half boasting from southerners who think it gets more humid down there than it does in most anywhere in the US east of the rockies.  It may get hot 'n humid down south earlier and later in the year, and offer fewer days of relief, but the heights of humidity are never any higher anywhere in pretty much 2/3 of the US -- the dewpoint very rarely exceeds 80 degrees anywhere in the US.  There are no "90/90" days, that's pure urban legend.  No such thing, at least not outside the area on/near the Indian Ocean during monsoon season.

Anyway, I'd take 85 degrees and humid over 55 degrees and windy every day of the year!

And WTF are people walking on hot sticky days in long pants for?  Do you dress all in black to abuse yourself more?  I'm always out there walking, but I'm not treating it like an opportunity to sweat off 20 pounds.  No way I'm not in shorts on one of those hot days, unless I build my own personal course someday so I can play naked :)
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Golf in the South - The Sweat Index = 100!
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2004, 09:25:45 AM »
The heat and humidity in the east and midwest is not in the same world as the deep south, especially the sea level but 100 miles in land part. It is kind of like us bitching about cold when we get 2 weeks a year of it. On the other hand we understand AC and that is not the case for the east and midwest. I do pity the east coast during a good heat wave for a real airconditioner makes life alot better.

Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2004, 09:44:38 AM »
There's the “inland” South then there's the “coastal” South.  On the coast (particularly on The Ocean Course directly on the Atlantic), it's about 5-7 degrees cooler than many places in the Midwest and Northeast.  I lived in the D.C. area for 10 years and it got a heck of a lot hotter there in the summer than it ever does here on Kiawah... 8)

Tiger_Bernhardt

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2004, 07:26:56 PM »
Mike you have that thing called wind or breeze.

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