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Jeff_Mingay

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Charlotte Golf Links
« on: April 16, 2004, 09:36:01 PM »
Having followed and admired Tom Doak's career, and been positively influenced by his writings and his golf architecture, Charlotte Golf Links has always been of interest to me. I haven't visited the course yet, but...

Here's an early project - by the architect of High Pointe, Lost Dunes, Pacific Dunes, Cape Kidnappers, Barnbougle Dunes, St. Andrews Beach, and the soon-to-be Sebonac Golf Club courses, amongst other notable designs - that I understand was undertaken with a lean budget and a small construction window.

Those two factors considered, I've been anxious to see what Doak and Jim Urbina pulled off there, in Charlotte. I'm confident there's a ton of neat stuff to see and play at Charlotte Golf Links. But, to anyone who's visited and/or played the course, some observations?
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Brian Phillips

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Re:Charlotte Golf Links
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2004, 07:46:47 AM »
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Brock Peyer

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Re:Charlotte Golf Links
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2004, 08:17:15 AM »
I played it once back in 1997 on a weekend and it was a six hour round and therefore I can't say that I remember a ton about the course.  I have a buddy that still lives in Charlotte and he plays it once in a while but avoids it mostly b/c they have so much play and because it has a bit of a reputation for slow play.

I am pretty easy going but I don't have the patience for a six hour round because John Boy and Bubba in the groups in front of you don't know what they are doing.

If you get there, get that first tee time.  I think that you will like the course.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2004, 08:18:21 AM by Brock Peyer »

jim_lewis

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Re:Charlotte Golf Links
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2004, 11:20:51 AM »
I played the course 3 or 4 times back in 1995 and 96. I think I have read a comment by Tom Doak himself where he said it is his least favorite of all his courses. It certainly is not in the league with his other courses that I have played. That said, it may be the best daily-fee course in Charlotte. It is built on some lifeless flat farm land.  Many of the holes are out in the open while others are cut through a forest.  Tom did a pretty good job of creating some good holes on a mediocre site.  I recall being more impressed with the design and the routing than the construction job. At the time there were no houses on the property. There were some pretty good par 3's. five of them as I recall.  My favorite hole was the 13th, a strong dogleg left with no bunkers. The course is not very difficult, playing only about 6700 yards from the back tees and finishing with a short part 5. Plays to par 71.  Play is slow because it does attract a lot of play, since it is in a part of the city where everything nearby is private. In fact, it is located adjacent to a new very expensive Nicklaus designed club called The Club at Longview, one of the best Nicklaus courses I have played.
"Crusty"  Jim
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Ken_Cotner

Re:Charlotte Golf Links
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2004, 02:39:38 PM »
In fact, it is located adjacent to a new very expensive Nicklaus designed club called The Club at Longview, one of the best Nicklaus courses I have played.

Jim,

Tell me more about Longview and what you liked.  I have heard good things about it.  I understand a mutual friend of ours may have joined, without full disclosure to his buddies...a fact I plan on exploiting at the appropriate time!   ;D

Best,
Ken

jim_lewis

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Re:Charlotte Golf Links
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2004, 03:58:36 PM »
Hi Ken:

The Club at Longview offers evidence to support the argument that Jack Nicklaus has adopted a more traditional style of architecure in recent years. My host kept saying, "this course doesn't look like a Nicklaus course". I think that was intended to be a compliment.  It certainly lacks some of the features that many associate with Jack's earlier courses.  For starters, the developers had an excellent piece of property for a golf course.  That may have be just pure luck since one of the developers in the nephew of Billy Graham and the property was formerly a family farm. The course has some good evelation changes but nothing too severe.  There is some water on the course but much of it is not in play, and that which is seems to fit naturally. The course has a fairly tradional feel with several cross bunkers and excellent green complexes.  It had rained the two days prior to my play, but the course still played suprisingly fast and firm.  Excellent variety in the length and design of the Par 3's,4's and 5's. It was in remarkable shape for a course that has been open for just a few months. That is no surprise considering the money that is obvious from the moment you enter the gate.  I can't think of anything I would change except to cut down a tree that crowds the back tee on the 17th hole.  It, along with Ocean Hammock, is the best new Nicklaus course I have seen in a long time. Probably a legitimate contender for GD "Best New Private".  Not as good as Dallas National or Friar's Head from last year's "class", but better that Briar's Creek, which won the prior year.
"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon