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Adam G

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Buck Wolter

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2024, 10:15:04 AM »
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Mark McKeever

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2024, 01:42:44 PM »
Damn, I should have sold mine..
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Ben Malach

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2024, 02:20:02 PM »
So excited for this, I have read this book multiple times. When I have had access to it. I consider it probably the gold standard in architectural history. As it's approachable but yet wonderfully deep.


I wish that George had continued to be here to see the blossoming of the appreciation for C.B.'s work and the recreation of the Lido. Also selfishly it might have given him time to complete his book on C.B's protege Seth Raynor. Which continues to be one of the great what ifs for me in the world of golf architectural literary cannon.
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PCCraig

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #104 on: March 19, 2024, 05:13:41 PM »
Even though I already own a copy of the original, I went ahead and bought another copy of the new edition. Happy to support the re-print.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #105 on: March 19, 2024, 07:54:15 PM »
So excited for this, I have read this book multiple times. When I have had access to it. I consider it probably the gold standard in architectural history. As it's approachable but yet wonderfully deep.


I wish that George had continued to be here to see the blossoming of the appreciation for C.B.'s work and the recreation of the Lido. Also selfishly it might have given him time to complete his book on C.B's protege Seth Raynor. Which continues to be one of the great what ifs for me in the world of golf architectural literary cannon.


Not George but still good.


https://back9press.com/pages/raynor
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #106 on: March 19, 2024, 08:22:57 PM »
Even though I already own a copy of the original, I went ahead and bought another copy of the new edition. Happy to support the re-print.
Likewise. I can loan the second edition out without making the loanee sign a form.  ;D  Looking forward to it.
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John Mayhugh

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2024, 10:05:25 AM »
Really glad this is being reprinted. I had an extra copy that I gave to a friend, and now I'm able to have a backup.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2024, 10:30:04 AM »
I only had one copy of it myself. 


Fortunately I knew the copyright holder, so we could do the reprint.

Michael Chadwick

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #109 on: Yesterday at 03:01:20 PM »
I recently finished reading the reprinted edition for the first time, and the details--particularly in the chapters devoted to NGLA--are terrific. It helped flesh out better context behind Macdonald's autobiography.


Two immediate questions came to mind:


1) Does anyone know of a good resource online for exploring 1920s-40s aerials of Long Island? I'd be interested in poking around, especially if there are images of the original Deepdale and Links Club.


2) This might deserve a separate thread if any historians have more info, but the brief chapter on Glen Head's Womens National Golf Club, founded by Marion Hollins and later acquired (then sold off) by the Creek Club, interested me. Bahto makes a comment that Hollins took her own scouting trip to the UK in anticipation of the club being developed, which has been referenced elsewhere on the DG by Wayne Morrison and more recently Bret Lawrence. Bahto's phrasing implies that she was in search of ideal holes for a woman's game, which may have resulted in an entirely different list of ideal/template holes selected from the UK classics. Were any specific holes from her trips noted anywhere? It'd be interesting to compare differences between Macdonald's ideals and Hollins, if she ever produced such a list.   



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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #110 on: Yesterday at 03:08:40 PM »
I recently finished reading the reprinted edition for the first time, and the details--particularly in the chapters devoted to NGLA--are terrific. It helped flesh out better context behind Macdonald's autobiography.


Two immediate questions came to mind:


1) Does anyone know of a good resource online for exploring 1920s-40s aerials of Long Island? I'd be interested in poking around, especially if there are images of the original Deepdale and Links Club.


2) This might deserve a separate thread if any historians have more info, but the brief chapter on Glen Head's Womens National Golf Club, founded by Marion Hollins and later acquired (then sold off) by the Creek Club, interested me. Bahto makes a comment that Hollins took her own scouting trip to the UK in anticipation of the club being developed, which has been referenced elsewhere on the DG by Wayne Morrison and more recently Bret Lawrence. Bahto's phrasing implies that she was in search of ideal holes for a woman's game, which may have resulted in an entirely different list of ideal/template holes selected from the UK classics. Were any specific holes from her trips noted anywhere? It'd be interesting to compare differences between Macdonald's ideals and Hollins, if she ever produced such a list.




For question 1 I used to use the Stonybrook University site: https://guides.library.stonybrook.edu/c.php?g=35399&p=224887


The various County GIS sites might also have some resources


Pretty sure I'm forgetting something, hopefully someone else can chime in.
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Colin Sheehan

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #111 on: Yesterday at 03:40:51 PM »
Michael,


Here's a slideshow I assembled years ago with a number of aerials including, for Deepdale, Oakland, Lido and Links.


https://goo.gl/photos/wwArnTF9n4WVY23u7
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Cal Carlisle

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #112 on: Yesterday at 06:50:46 PM »
I recently finished reading the reprinted edition for the first time, and the details--particularly in the chapters devoted to NGLA--are terrific. It helped flesh out better context behind Macdonald's autobiography.


Two immediate questions came to mind:


1) Does anyone know of a good resource online for exploring 1920s-40s aerials of Long Island? I'd be interested in poking around, especially if there are images of the original Deepdale and Links Club.


2) This might deserve a separate thread if any historians have more info, but the brief chapter on Glen Head's Womens National Golf Club, founded by Marion Hollins and later acquired (then sold off) by the Creek Club, interested me. Bahto makes a comment that Hollins took her own scouting trip to the UK in anticipation of the club being developed, which has been referenced elsewhere on the DG by Wayne Morrison and more recently Bret Lawrence. Bahto's phrasing implies that she was in search of ideal holes for a woman's game, which may have resulted in an entirely different list of ideal/template holes selected from the UK classics. Were any specific holes from her trips noted anywhere? It'd be interesting to compare differences between Macdonald's ideals and Hollins, if she ever produced such a list.




For question 1 I used to use the Stonybrook University site: https://guides.library.stonybrook.edu/c.php?g=35399&p=224887


The various County GIS sites might also have some resources


Pretty sure I'm forgetting something, hopefully someone else can chime in.


In the book "Champion in a Man's World", by David Outerbridge, pages 90-92, it discusses how Hollins left for the UK in search of ideal holes for Women's National Golf and Tennis Club. With the assistance of Cecil Leitch, she played over 20 courses. She documented the trip with notes, sketches, photos and movies.


She turned these materials over to Devereaux Emmet who was to design the course. The first hole was reminiscent of the 7th hole at the new course at Walton Heath. The 4th was a copy of the 11th at Northampton. The Principal's Nose made an appearance on the 17th. The 12th hole at Least women's National was fashioned after the 3rd at Mid-Surrey.


She and Emmet also looked for inspiration at courses on a Long Island. The 5th at Women's was similar to the 5th at her home course, Westbrook. The 8th was an adaptation of the 5th at NGLA. Lastly, the 11th was a close approximation to the 13th at Piping Rock.


The author then explains that rather than use her monster tee shots, she used US Champion Alexa Sterling's 175 yard carry as the fair but testing standard for tee placement.


The book is very well researched and an interesting read. A great addition to any golf library. It's kind of hard to believe there has never been any kind of documentary or movie made about this remarkable woman.

Michael Chadwick

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Re: The Evangelist of Golf  / George Bahto
« Reply #113 on: Yesterday at 11:13:21 PM »
Charlie, Colin, Cal--all of these are terrific replies. Thank you so much. I'll enjoy looking over those aerials during the holidays, and will keep an eye out on getting a copy of the book as well. Appreciate it!
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