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Steve_ Shaffer

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“What turned into a renovation really turned into a completely re-imagined course,” said Craig Klingensmith, vice president of development for London Bay, which owns the course. “If you played Raptor Bay before you’re going to come out and play this course, you won’t recognize anything. … The course is completely different.”
The $25 million renovation is part of London Bay Development Group’s project near the Hyatt Regency Coconut Point Resort and Spa in Bonita Springs.   On what was formerly Raptor Bay’s 55-acre back nine, Naples-based London Bay took to building two 22-story condominiums buildings, The Ritz-Carlton Residences, Estero Bay and Saltleaf Marina.
Raymond Floyd, a four-time major winner on the PGA Tour and golf course designer, came out of retirement to redesign the course he built 22 years ago.
London Bay owner Mark Wilson and Raptor Bay Superintendent Jason Brod retained a good relationship with Floyd, Klingensmith said. Floyd said he would do the redesign if he could once again not include bunkers.

“I get a second chance to use the philosophy I did with Raptor Bay,” Floyd said at the groundbreaking in July 2022.
Raptor Bay was a resort course, meaning it was designed for faster play and not to be too difficult. The new design is more challenging.
The length of the course grew from 6,400 yards to 7,075 and from par 71 to 72. The course has seven tee boxes, creating different lengths for each hole.
Saltleaf took hole No. 10 from Raptor Bay and turned it into a nine-hole short course where the dress code is flip-flop casual, and music isn’t frowned upon.

It also is a course where serious golfers can work on their short game, he said. The holes range from 50 to 135 yards. 
Both courses are open to the public, and green fees range from $229 for a round in November to $349 in February. The nine-hole course costs $79.
London Bay hoped to open the course last season, but Hurricane Ian set the rebuild back, Klingensmith said. Companies working on the project were delayed because many of their workers lost their homes during the storm.
The course made it through the storm OK. The biggest loss was some recently planted massive live oaks taken down by the wind. Water washed away the soil so they couldn’t be replanted.
“That was a heartbreaker there,” he said.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2024, 02:58:51 PM »
That is one of the most confusing press releases I've ever read.  They took away the back nine for two resort projects, turned the tenth hole into a short course, and lengthened the course from 6400 yards to 7000+ ?

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2024, 03:10:26 PM »
Yeah, I can't imagine that came from a golf-focused agency.... proof of the value of specialist PR (which is to say, people who have a clue what they are supposed to be writing about).
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2024, 06:56:56 PM »
Nice timing on this post, thank Steve!


I was just down there last week and saw Saltleaf Golf Preserve and did not recognize the name.  I did some digging and found out that it was Raptor Bay originally.  I was wondering how extensive the changes were.  I am home now, but maybe next year I can get out to see the new version.


I did not go in to read the article yet, when did it reopen after these changes?



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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2024, 07:30:49 PM »

@ Daryl  The Saltleaf course opened in November 2023
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Ken Fry

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2024, 07:39:07 PM »
I was in Naples a couple weeks ago and considered visiting Saltleaf.

I know demand is high for public golf in Naples and, call me cheap, but didn't feel like paying $350 per person.

Ken

David Kelly

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2024, 08:25:17 PM »
The name Ray Floyd associated with a renovation doesn't exactly have me running to make a plane reservation to Naples.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2024, 11:11:19 PM »
I was in Naples a couple weeks ago and considered visiting Saltleaf.

I know demand is high for public golf in Naples and, call me cheap, but didn't feel like paying $350 per person.

Ken


There can't be too many $350 golf courses I've never heard of, right?

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Saltleaf Golf Preserve opens in Estero,FL Ray Floyd restores Raptor Bay
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2024, 11:37:48 PM »
How about green fees ranging from $229 for a round in November to $349 in February. What happens after February? Dynamic pricing is going strong.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”