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Jeff Schley

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OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« on: March 18, 2022, 01:26:20 AM »
https://www.amateurgolf.com/golf-tournament-news/28565/The-everchanging-role-of-college-golf-coaches
This is interesting to read. Paging Colin Sheehan to chime in.
You have to be OK with knowing you aren't really "coaching" techniques etc. as in other sports. How the world of college sports has changed, with NIL, transfer portal and helicopter parents. A positive is the fundraising that improves facilities and home courses in some cases.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2022, 08:27:36 AM »
https://www.amateurgolf.com/golf-tournament-news/28565/The-everchanging-role-of-college-golf-coaches
This is interesting to read. Paging Colin Sheehan to chime in.
You have to be OK with knowing you aren't really "coaching" techniques etc. as in other sports. How the world of college sports has changed, with NIL, transfer portal and helicopter parents. A positive is the fundraising that improves facilities and home courses in some cases.
There's a lot more to college golf coaching than the coaching that occurs within the top 25 DI programs, of course.

Tony Ruggiero has said, and I often agree, that many college programs don't care as much about the actual development of the player as they do about getting the most out of them quickly and then not caring much about what happens to them after that. And there's some truth to that in some programs, I feel. The pressure to win exists and it's how college coaches are judged.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2022, 08:54:58 AM »
I don't understand the timing of this thread considering the recent tragic events involving the Southwest golf team. How about taking a minute to recognize the true heroes of coaching. Most of us have been on that bus with that coach. Take some time and research the tournament history of Southwest and its players. It will rip your heart out.


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/03/17/university-of-the-southwest-golf-teams-bus-crash-names-nine-died/

Terry Lavin

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2022, 09:04:50 AM »
What really broke my heart was hearing the mother of one of the deceased say that her daughter’s favorite experiences on the team were the bus rides.


I represented hundreds of families that lost loved ones in plane, train, boat and  automobile/truck crashes. The randomness and suddenness is just devastating.
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Paul Jones

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2022, 09:23:27 AM »
Here is a positive story about my cousin (UL Lafayette golf coach) and UL golf team - Old friends, new wheels: UL golf team donates car to longtime supporter | Sports | theadvocate.com


That accident in Texas happen the day our club finished hosting a big College Tournament and when I first saw the news I thought it was a team driving from Louisiana.  That is very sad and scary as most teams still travel in vans, the team I hosted for the tournament did not make it home until 3:00am.
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Peter Sayegh

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2022, 10:04:57 AM »
I don't understand the timing of this thread considering the recent tragic events involving the Southwest golf team. How about taking a minute to recognize the true heroes of coaching. Most of us have been on that bus with that coach. Take some time and research the tournament history of Southwest and its players. It will rip your heart out.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2022, 11:39:48 AM »
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Jeff Segol

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2022, 06:04:39 PM »
I've been a booster (small level) at Cal for a number of years. The coach's focus there has almost always been fundraising, because the program re-started from club status with a mandate that they had to raise their own funds.


The genius of Steve Desimone (recently retired as the coach) was his decision and ability to get recruits in a five-years to play four system, which has allowed those who want to to pursue Bus Ad degrees at the Haas School of Business, as both Collin M. and Max H. did. That has made Cal's academic reputation a selling point for golfers, where it is a non-factor or even a difficulty in the revenue sports. I suspect that what Steve and Walter Chun, the current coach, excel in is helping their players navigate the balance among school, golf and life while there in the program, which helps them down the line whether they play professionally or do something else.


I would also note that golf may be among the most difficult sports to balance school and play, because it is one of the few sports that plays in both fall and spring, meaning there are always issues with missed classes, doing assignments on the road, etc.


My impression is also that neither Des nor Walter have ever tried to provide instruction to players, unless specifically requested, because most of their recruits already had teachers. The leader of Cal's 2004 NCAA championship team was Peter Tomasulo. His teacher was Jamie Mulligan at Virginia CC, one of the best teachers most people have never heard of. I know both Des and Cal have helped players figure out where they needed instruction, and where to get it.

mike_beene

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2022, 10:49:08 PM »
Tuesday the Nebraska team was at my club ( on a come south spring break trip) and I noticed the Mercedes mid-size van. We were talking about how far the drive from Lincoln to Dallas is and how much college teams travel. Probably a lot safer than it used to be but obviously bad things can happen.

John Blain

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2022, 09:17:05 AM »
Who puts a 13 year old behind the wheel of a truck?
Probably someone who was drunk and didn't want to risk getting a DWI.

JohnVDB

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2022, 05:39:01 PM »
I've been a booster (small level) at Cal for a number of years. The coach's focus there has almost always been fundraising, because the program re-started from club status with a mandate that they had to raise their own funds.


The genius of Steve Desimone (recently retired as the coach) was his decision and ability to get recruits in a five-years to play four system, which has allowed those who want to to pursue Bus Ad degrees at the Haas School of Business, as both Collin M. and Max H. did. That has made Cal's academic reputation a selling point for golfers, where it is a non-factor or even a difficulty in the revenue sports. I suspect that what Steve and Walter Chun, the current coach, excel in is helping their players navigate the balance among school, golf and life while there in the program, which helps them down the line whether they play professionally or do something else.


I would also note that golf may be among the most difficult sports to balance school and play, because it is one of the few sports that plays in both fall and spring, meaning there are always issues with missed classes, doing assignments on the road, etc.


My impression is also that neither Des nor Walter have ever tried to provide instruction to players, unless specifically requested, because most of their recruits already had teachers. The leader of Cal's 2004 NCAA championship team was Peter Tomasulo. His teacher was Jamie Mulligan at Virginia CC, one of the best teachers most people have never heard of. I know both Des and Cal have helped players figure out where they needed instruction, and where to get it.


Des is a great guy and was a very good coach.  I was head official for Cal’s annual event at the Meadow Club about 12 years ago.  The weather forecast for the second day was not good.  We managed to squeeze in 36 holes on the first day and Cal was leading.  It started pouring over night. 


When we got to the course the next day, it was clear that it was unplayable.  Des was very hesitant to call the event because he was afraid that the other coaches would complain of favoritism.  The Ducks from Oregon were second and finally Casey Martin (another class guy) came to me and said to tell Des to call it as even Oregon knew we couldn’t play that day. Des did agree then.  Overall the course got about 5 inches of rain that night and day.

JLahrman

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2022, 09:51:59 PM »
Who puts a 13 year old behind the wheel of a truck?
Probably someone who was drunk and didn't want to risk getting a DWI.


Not sure if they're going to do (or be able to do) toxicology tests on the adult in the vehicle, but this was in middle-of-nowhere Texas. My guess is letting underage kids drive is more common than we'd like in that area.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2022, 12:14:04 AM »
Did any of you who changed the thread's direction to the tragedy in Texas, think before you hit "post"?

Out of respect for those who have passed, let's return to the thread's initial focus.

The article ignores lower-end D1, D2, and D3 programs and their coaches. It focuses solely on elite programs, with the exception of Howard University. Its headline is misleading, but its content is revealing.

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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2022, 10:20:59 AM »
Ron,


Are you arguing that transportation to and from matches is not one of the roles of a golf coach? As a coach yourself have you reflected on what you could do to improve the safety of the children under your care?

Peter Sayegh

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2022, 11:41:29 AM »
Ron, I applauded JK for his post.
Jeff S.'s posts are must reads for me most of the time. This one coulda waited a few weeks in my opinion.

I did read read the article. I agree with you. Like any other "discussion" of college "student athletes" it ignores non D-I programs. I'm used to it by now. That said, I love this nugget (you get paid by the syllable?):



"I am grateful that my alma mater has demonstrated respect for the system that Jerry Haas put in place, and has stood by him, through lean and thick years."


Kalen Braley

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2022, 12:04:20 PM »
This is not limited to golf for sure.  Pretty much all non elite college sports do this, and have been for decades.  Seems the love for the game and wanting to play against the best possible competition far outweighs the travel risks/limitations.  But flying is no guarantee either with incidents like Payne Stewart and the Marshall football team. Its a terrible tragedy of course, but I don't think its unique per se.

Two lane highways in remote areas are well documented for their dangerous traits with people driving at freeway speeds,  regular passing, long curves, and no barriers to prevent head-ons...and Barney should certainly know this.

P.S.  My daughter did van traveling many times over 6+ years of lacrosse in college and club, but thankfully very rarely had to take two lane highways...

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: OT- Changing role of college golf coaches
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2022, 08:31:47 PM »
This one coulda waited a few weeks in my opinion.
That makes no sense at all.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

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