2nd Architect & Competition

[Steve_Roths]

Just was watching the video of Bill Coore down in N. Zealand on the South Course at Ta Arai.


It looks spectacular and I know Doak has the inland piece of land.


How driven will this make him to make it that more dramatic than if he had gone first? 


Just trying to think of other examples that this was the case for other architects.

[Andrew Harvie]

I imagine Tom will chime in.


On the Fried Egg Podcast, they talked about cranking the architecture up inland and drawing inspiration from Pine Valley because they have less oceanfront property than Coore's site. It'll be interesting to see how that materializes.

[Tom_Doak]

Just was watching the video of Bill Coore down in N. Zealand on the South Course at Ta Arai.

It looks spectacular and I know Doak has the inland piece of land.

How driven will this make him to make it that more dramatic than if he had gone first? 

Just trying to think of other examples that this was the case for other architects.

Steve:


Whenever we are building a course at a place that has other courses, we are trying to see what things we can do to give it a different character than the others. That doesn't necessarily mean "more dramatic".  But I haven't seen what Bill has done yet, so it's a little hard to say what we will do in reaction.


One thing I am thinking about for both Sedge Valley and Te Arai is the idea of re-introducing some mowed fescue rough and some unmowed fescue rough, instead of mowing everything tight like the other courses.  I was one of the pioneers of mowing everything tight, but now that everyone is doing it, it must be time for something different, if the clients will let me go that way.


The inland part of Te Arai has some pretty dramatic contours on its own -- it is more hilly than Tara Iti and all but the first three holes of Bill's course.  There are some cool holes through valleys, some big ups and downs, and some kind of Maori fort at the 5th green, which was built into the biggest dune around.  I still haven't seen that all cleared out, but it was impressive enough in the trees!

[Jeff Schley]

Just was watching the video of Bill Coore down in N. Zealand on the South Course at Ta Arai.


It looks spectacular and I know Doak has the inland piece of land.


How driven will this make him to make it that more dramatic than if he had gone first? 


Just trying to think of other examples that this was the case for other architects.

I think this was the case at Bandon for C&C's Bandon Trails being after some real gems. But 3rd technically.

[Kyle Casella]

Just was watching the video of Bill Coore down in N. Zealand on the South Course at Ta Arai.

It looks spectacular and I know Doak has the inland piece of land.

How driven will this make him to make it that more dramatic than if he had gone first? 

Just trying to think of other examples that this was the case for other architects.

Steve:


Whenever we are building a course at a place that has other courses, we are trying to see what things we can do to give it a different character than the others. That doesn't necessarily mean "more dramatic".  But I haven't seen what Bill has done yet, so it's a little hard to say what we will do in reaction.

Tom- do you feel this is always the case? Would you have done something differently, for example, at Pacific Dunes on the same ground had Bandon Dunes not already been built?

[Tom_Doak]

Whenever we are building a course at a place that has other courses, we are trying to see what things we can do to give it a different character than the others. That doesn't necessarily mean "more dramatic".  But I haven't seen what Bill has done yet, so it's a little hard to say what we will do in reaction.

Tom- do you feel this is always the case? Would you have done something differently, for example, at Pacific Dunes on the same ground had Bandon Dunes not already been built?

Quite possibly, yes.  It’s hard to say for sure because I didn’t go see the site for Pacific Dunes until Bandon was complete, so I didn’t have any “pre Bandon” ideas formed. But, for one example, I think Mr Keiser would have insisted on larger greens for Pacific Dunes had it been the first course there.  I managed to talk him out of that on the basis of providing a contrast with the original course.