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Adam Lawrence

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Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« on: January 17, 2022, 11:05:30 AM »
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John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2022, 12:00:10 PM »
 Unfortunately for the author David Waterston 92 years later, both the Maritime Pine and Sea Buckthorn are  considered to be invasive species, as is gorse. The Links or Dunes habitat consist mainly of grasses and herbs and often have SSSI status.
In Southerness they have a compaign to removing Seabuckthorn and I believe recently at Nairn some old pine trees were removed with approval of the environmentalists.
However with global warming and the wish to find places to plant trees, the Links courses may have to do there bit.
Scotland has plenty of room for planting trees in the highlands, as long as the deer are dramatically reduced in number.
However will the weekend hunters, up from London, be prepared to sacrifice their fun for climate change?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2022, 01:00:51 PM »
John,
I’m fairly sure gorse and sea buckthorn are native species in the UK.
Cheers,
F.
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John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2022, 01:34:21 PM »
 Dear F,

 
I'm sure you are right, however it is considered invasive in some areas.

 
When I visited Southerness a few years ago I was given the opportunity to have a tour of the course with the head greenkeeper David Woodbyme, who has been doing wonders returning the golf course to a true links environment.

 
At that time there was a compaign promoted by the local environmentalist to remove the Buckthorn.

 
Horrible stuff - even if my dad planted some in his garden.

 
Cheers
John

 
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2022, 02:04:36 PM »
Quote from: Marty Bonnar on January 17, 2022, 01:00:51 PM
John,
I’m fairly sure gorse and sea buckthorn are native species in the UK.
Cheers,
F.
Unless my professor when teaching us a unit on horticulture was wrong I agree. He was from the UK and was a golfer and showed the class a photo of a course in the UK somewhere highlighting gorse in full bloom. He also showed the California coast of the same to illustrate his point of how one species can be found on multiple continents. If wrong I was a refund. ;)
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 02:23:41 PM »
Sounds like there is some nuance to this one..

"Sea Buckthorn (Hippophae rhamnoides) is native to parts of UK's East coast, but has been introduced elsewhere. For example, in East Lothian large-scale planting was carried out in Gullane in the 1960s in an effort to help stabilise the dunes."

https://www.elcv.org.uk/tasks/invasives/

P.S. If you go back far enough in time, every plant on Earth is an invasive species.  ;D
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2022, 02:34:35 PM »
They cleared a massive area of buckthorn at North Berwick a couple of years ago. Last summer, it was already returning. Tricky stuff to eradicate!
F.
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2022, 03:50:50 PM »
Thought you were doing an April's fool rather early  ;D
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James Boon

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2022, 05:00:58 PM »
I think some of you are confusing "invasive" which means it out competes other species, with "none native" which means it doesn't originate from there?


Cheers,


James

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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2022, 05:26:32 PM »
I think it was 1962 they actually planted about 50 8 foot Pines staked with guy ropes, I think between 16 and 3 and 15 and 4.


Fortunately they were virtually brown by early summer and not replaced.
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Niall C

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Re: Tree Planting in St. Andrews
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2022, 09:33:25 AM »
Re buckthorn at NB, it is my understanding that the reason they started taking it out was because rather than stabilise the dunes they found it was having the opposite affect. Some of the NB members on here might be able to comment.


Re trees at TOC, IIRC on one of the holes going in, Sir Michael Bonnallack had a tree planted to the left of the tee ahead of the 1995 Open to try and stop players playing down the adjacent fairway.


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