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Tom_Doak

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Re: Reproductions
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2021, 02:15:22 PM »
Tom and Keiser are trend setters and I hate to think what could happen when I can get a LIDAR map of almost every golf course in America.

This is where Tom will probably set me straight because I may be overstepping on my assumptions- but I guess I'm looking for golf courses created by naturally inspired design, not necessarily just the professionally creative that either copy or borrow complete ideas from the past.  Stealing bits and pieces and then organizing them into your own...I want to see that. Building new holes you name after old famous holes...I'm not seeking that out.


You are not wrong to be concerned about that.  I've already been asked whether I would consider building a course full of "modern templates" -- not designing my own templates, but replicating the best of what's been done in the past 100 years, as Macdonald did.  It's very tempting to play God, especially when someone offers to pay you for the privilege.


There's a reason why the movie business is largely dominated by sequels now.  They're a known quantity.  They already have a fan base.


The interesting thing is that many of my favorite holes would be VERY difficult to replicate, because the local conditions are so integral to the design, whether it be the tidal marsh of the 8th hole at Brancaster, the plunging topo of the 10th at Augusta, the cliff on the 16th at Dornick Hills, or the beautiful trees and native vegetation that add to so many of the world's best courses.  I suspect that such features will only become more valuable in the future, because they can't be imitated.

Michael Moore

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Re: Reproductions
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2021, 03:20:12 PM »
Not to worry, I am commissioning a replica of Sedge Valley, all will be welcome . . .
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Mike Hendren

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Re: Reproductions
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2021, 04:21:06 PM »
I'm looking forward to Lido as I have an annual engagement in Madison each year and have enjoyed Sand Valley and Mammoth Dunes not to mention my beloved Sandbox and Lawsonia Links.  That is the only recurring destination I visit. 


That said, is there a possibility the "retail golfer" will not appreciate Lido nearly as much as the architectural cognoscenti?  Everyone will likely give it a go, but is there a possibility that its traffic will be significantly less than its neighbors over time?  At eye level I assume Lido is no beauty.


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Mike_Young

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Re: Reproductions
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2021, 10:32:13 PM »
As we come closer and closer to running out of courses worthy of restoration and course lacking the budgets for such, the industry will begin to market their next product.   And I'm not talking of architects here.  The architect is way down the food chain when it comes to the revenue to be generated for the industry in the average restoration/renovation. 
A course where I am a member is in the process of trying to convince the membership that a mid 1980's course can be reworked via "Ross template" greens.  It would be like buying a 1965 Caprice for $500 bucks and putting $8000 bucks of 24 inch wheels on it.  The average board would think they had something.  Anyway, I don't believe a golf hole can be reproduced exactly and never will be.  But I do believe the strategy can be. 
Golf is mom and pop across this country.  There is plenty of good creative architecture out there that will never be discussed here just as there are local restaurants.   As most know, I'm not into the dudes who take an ODG drawing and basically tell a contractor to "clean up and build this as I seance "  The GPS dozer should be great at reworking such.  But the younger crowd who is learning this business in the dirt needs to realize that you learn whats good by working and seeing the courses discussed here on this site.  You make a living by taking that knowledge and putting it on courses most will never play or hear from.  And if that one green/hole  you come up with is really good it will become a template also...JMO ;D ;D
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