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Matt_Cohn

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A silly ANGC maintenance question
« on: November 13, 2020, 09:14:45 PM »
When play was called for the day, golfers in the middle of a hole marked the location of their balls with coins and/or tees. So what happens when they mow in the morning?

Joel_Stewart

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 09:58:55 PM »
I don't think its silly, I was wondering the same thing.


Since they use gang mowers, I assume that with the amount of staff, someone is assigned to carefully remove the tee or coin by hand when a mower approaches.  Then it is replaced.   

Andrew Harvie

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 10:48:15 PM »
Great question. I had the same question when I played in an AJGA and had a weather delay. I assume they wouldn't mow for us, but I'm not sure how they'd do it with Augusta, where OF course they mow!

Rob Marshall

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 10:55:44 PM »
When play was called for the day, golfers in the middle of a hole marked the location of their balls with coins and/or tees. So what happens when they mow in the morning?


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Tom Bacsanyi

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2020, 11:57:24 PM »
I don't think its silly, I was wondering the same thing.


Since they use gang mowers, I assume that with the amount of staff, someone is assigned to carefully remove the tee or coin by hand when a mower approaches.  Then it is replaced.


A gang mower is a multiple cutting unit reel or rotary mower that gets pulled by a tractor and is powered by tractor's the PTO. I'm fairly certain that ANGC doesn't mow greens with a gang mower.


I think you mean walk mower.


My guess is the guy setting the hole locations would pull the markers and replace for the mow guys. So the markers will be a few mm away from their original placement OMIGOD!

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Thomas Dai

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2020, 04:43:06 AM »
Not an unusual occurrence so best to act with care and some fore-thought.
If I were playing in such events I've have in my bag a special marker of some kind, brightly marked with my name and pinable to the ground. I'd also take a few photos showing it's exact position.
Incidents have happened in the past. Someone, spectator most likely, moved Darren Clarkes ball at the Irish Open one year (to a better spot, which DC to his credit amended through play) and then there was the saga of Monty in Indonesia.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2020, 05:32:17 AM »
GPS for absolute precision. You certainly cannot eyeball it in the fairway. Greens are easier, but GPS still wins the day.
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JohnVDB

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2020, 08:04:57 AM »
The following applies to USGA Championships, but I’m sure the Masters does it Ina similar fashion. While I’m sure everyone does there best to get it back correctly, there is no need to use GPS or antpything like that.


Each hole official or walking referee has a Suspension of Play card.  When play is suspended for the night, the official notes where every ball is located on the card and how it is marked.  This data is entered into a spreadsheet which is given to the superintendent. For balls on the green, the green mower is accompanied by another person.  He will lift the marker while the mower (and roller) move over that location and then replace it.  The amount of error is minimal (well less than a inch).


I’ve also seen them putt tees in the green and push them below the surface so the mower doesn’t hit them and then replace the marker after that.


For balls in the fairway we might not mow fairways or do something similar if it was really desired. 


Typically you try to blow the horns for a non-dangerous suspension early enough that most players will finish the hole, but there are always a few who don’t.  When it is lighting you can end up with a lot of balls out there though.


Even if the marker is moved or the ball taken (presuming the players didn’t have time to mark when lightning) the Rules say the player should use his or her reasonable judgment to replace the ball in the original location.

Don Mahaffey

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Re: A silly ANGC maintenance question
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2020, 11:52:01 AM »
At the Hou Open this year there were 4-6 groups on the course when it got dark on Thurs.
The tour took a picture of the ball and GPS mapped the location. And the player marked with a tee.


I asked the tour about the process and they simply said we do our best to assure they have the same lie, but the show goes on and everything is prepped for a day of play like any other tournament day.