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Ran Morrissett

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https://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-alan-oliver/

This month's Feature Interview takes us to northwest England for the Club Secretary at Silloth on Solway, Mr. Alan Oliver. In so doing, GolfClubAtlas hopes to achieve one of its primary proposes, which is to direct people to courses that it finds enduring.

Silloth on Solway has been a long-time favorite on GolfClubAtlas. When it slotted in at #86 on the Custodians list, I wrote, 'Some greens are in dells, some on high, some are narrow strips and it all adds up to England's least seen and appreciated gem, located some 20 miles from the border of Scotland.' Therein lies the rub - is Silloth on Solway's remoteness a blessing or a curse? List chasers bemoan the two hour + drive from Lytham but some of us see Silloth's seclusion as a chance to enjoy golf in peace away from the bustle created by tourist buses.

This interview came about when Mike Dutton (Mike, the catalyst for last September's Feature Interview with Robin Down) and his brothers were on one of their customary ‘off the beaten path’ tours. Others including Joe Andriole were here last year as well and they both shared a very warm welcome from Mr. Oliver. In fact, he very kindly played with both groups and sports the sort of game that befits his background as a PGA professional. Joe recalls, ‘It was my third visit to Silloth over a 25-year period and I will return. It screams great old links - humpy dunes land, serendipitous bounces, natural bunkers,  quirk and Willie Park greens.’  From Mike’s perspective, ‘For me, the sheer volume of interesting shots presented at Silloth is on par with St. Enodoc, fondly remembered holes register at 14 and for travel time investment I’m returning to Silloth before Machrihanish.’


                                   Above is the short, one shot 9th, a hole that deserves to be much better known.

These days, what constitutes a 'hidden gem' is getting murkier. Some far-flung venues are more hidden than gem-ish  ;) , sport a paucity of interesting architectural features, and lack sufficient problems to solve. Silloth on Solway is emphatically not of that variety and contains at least three holes - 4, 9 and 13 - that any links would kill for. There are no dull moments but plenty of highs, which Mr. Oliver ticks through. Silloth stirs devotion like Cruden Bay and Machrihanish. All three are on distinctive parcels of links land but it's the man-made finishing touches, especially at the green complexes, that exalts all three.

Herbert Warren Wind didn't play here and use his stirring prose to lure legions as he did decades ago at Ballybunion and Dornoch but the word is getting out that this is a special place. Silloth on Solway feels like a mystical century old course because ……. it is! If you aren't careful, it might become your favorite course on that next trip.

Best,
« Last Edit: February 20, 2020, 01:16:08 PM by Ran Morrissett »

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 04:59:21 PM »
Crackin' interview, Ran.


Silloth is possibly my favourite golf course. It is also not as "remote" as everyone says. Over 20 million people live within an easy 3 hour drive of Silloth, including the major cities of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford, Newcastle, Glasgow, and Edinburgh.


Sandwich, Deal, and St Enodoc are far more "remote" to those of us who live in the northern two-thirds of the UK!


I can get to Carlisle on the train from Warrington in 90 minutes with fares starting at £16 return. If the club organised a minibus transfer at a reasonable price from Carlisle station on a Saturday morning and back in the evening I'd join in a heartbeat, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!


A suggestion for Mr Oliver...   ;)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 05:09:00 PM by Duncan Cheslett »

Thomas Dai

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2020, 04:19:10 AM »
Many insights. Many thanks. Cracking course. Well done Alan and Ran.
atb

John Mayhugh

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2020, 07:45:18 AM »
Reading this interview reminded me of the terrific time we all had at Buda in 2012. I cannot imagine there being a more wildly entertaining hole for foursomes than 13 in a howling wind.

Alan's observations about the green sites (great variety and interest) and the fairways (so much movement) are spot on.

For a golf tourist, Silloth is remote. Sure, 2-3 hours from a Southport base or Gullane or Ayrshire isn't that daunting. But I think visitors will have a hard time making that trip to what is seemingly a golf island. Do we skip a day or two and travel for "just" one course? After you've played it, the answer is absolutely yes. But for first timers, it probably remains a hard sell. Even for Buda we debated if it would be ok to play Silloth only for multiple days. Mark actually looked into the possibility of going to Southerness by boat. In the end, the days at Silloth worked out very well. Course is wonderful. The club's hospitality was second to none. Costs were low, food & drink was good and plentiful. Highly recommended. I need to get back there.

Full membership costs work out to be about $70 a month. Makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong with my life.

One suggestion for Alan. The interview mentions overseas membership, but the cost of this isn't on the website. Not sure if that's intentional. Overseas memberships can be a good way of marketing the club at no cost. Inexpensive enough, and some might join even if they don't get over there more than once every several years.


Ran's modesty probably prevented him from including this link to his profile of the course.
https://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/england/silloth1/

For more photos, Sean Arble's tour.
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48672.0.html


 
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Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2020, 09:22:48 AM »
I love the course, but would like to comment on something else.  Rarely in a clubhouse in Scotland, or anywhere for that matter, is a picture prominently displayed of a woman.  There is a compelling picture at Silloth of Cecil Leitch.  I liked the course so much that I got their history book.  It takes time to honor her great career.  After she retired from competition she returned once to Silloth and went and shot 66 from tees that were in excess of 6,000 yards.  The book details her round shot by shot.  For Silloth it was their Bobby Jones at Sunningdale or return to St. Andrews moment.  Now I have got to go find the book.  Around here somewhere.
It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2020, 11:54:59 AM »
Full membership costs work out to be about $70 a month.


Full membership is £550 per year or £46 per month.


That's actually less that $60 per month!


https://www.sillothgolfclub.co.uk/membership_prices

John Mayhugh

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2020, 12:25:30 PM »
Duncan,
$70/month if there are only 10 months in a year, which is apparently the math I used. To an American, amazingly inexpensive either way. 

Niall C

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 12:32:00 PM »
It was probably about 30 years ago that I got a call from a friend who was holidaying down near Silloth. He said he'd taken a walk by a golf course that looked quite interesting and was I interested in coming down for a game. Well I did, and that was my introduction to Silloth.

Ten years later I moved to Cumbria for work and there was only one club I wanted to join. Alan was the assistant pro at the time and  although relatively young  was already "in with the bricks" as the saying goes. He had the reputation as one of the biggest hitters at the club and probably still does. I remember speaking to him about the drive off the very back tees at the 5th hole. For the uninitiated playing that in any kind of wind is terrifying as it consists of a carry over the cabbage to a narrow stretch of fairway and even during Open qualifying most professionals failed to reach the fairway. Alan's view was it was only a mere 185 yard flick "and what was the problem ?!". 

In recent years he organised the visit when a group of was down for the Gallant v. Cheslett final of the matchplay and was very helpful. The club really couldn't do any better than having Alan as Club Secretary.

John - what I recall of that BUDA was how wet it was and how the course was the greenest I'd ever seen it. I suggest another visit will show it in an even better light.

Lynn - it really is a wonderful photograph of Cecil Leitch. There's not many courses, especially of Silloth's quality, where their most famous golfer is a lady.

Niall

Mark Pearce

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2020, 02:46:26 PM »
Alan could not have been more helpful when it came to organising that 2012 BUDA, and as John says, the club could not have been more welcoming.  I get over once or twice a year and wonder why I don't make the 2 hour trip more often.  From my home, I can be at North Berwick, Muirfield, Alwoodley and Ganton in 2 hours.  Silloth loses little by comparison to any and may have the best set of greensites of that lot.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2020, 05:54:43 PM »
What a great looking course. I do need to make the trip. Great interview.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Feature Interview with Alan Oliver, Club Secretary of Silloth on Solway
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 11:00:53 AM »
If Ran believes that what constitutes a “hidden gem” is becoming murkier then he is not paying enough attention to where the Buda Cup is being held each year. For the most part the Buda courses are a collection of the UK’s greatest hidden gems. Just sayin’. 🤔


Silloth on Solway is one outstanding course!!!
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