[William_G]

love the greens and catching slopes with lots of false fronts


the rectangles are just classic! love it


not a fan of the deep deep rough monotony of typical parkland golf, but the subtleties on the ground are fantastic

[Jason Thurman]

Hilarious that Geoff thinks he actually won that Tournament.

That's a pretty odd thing to say. Ogilvy played the course in the fewest strokes over 72 holes. Of course he won the tournament. Why diminish the accomplishment?


The 72nd hole counts the same as the first and every hole in between. Switch out a par Mickelson made early on Sunday for a double and the double on 18 for a par and the result would have been the exact same.

Gotta love an 18 handicap hating on a US Open champ.


I'm probably as unfamiliar with Winged Foot as any of the US Open "rota" courses, but I'm very excited to get a little more familiar with it. There's nothing rarer in golf right now than a punishing parkland course with a traditional presentation that still unanimously stands among the top 50 courses in the world.

[corey miller]

Yes the monotony of Parkland Golf Winged Foot style for the majority of club golfers.


For many years every Westchester club "followed" Winged Foot and based it's tree management and maintenance processes on Winged Foot the "best" course in the area.  With the advent of the "restoration" movement it appeared the clubs were moving away from the cookie cutter copy cat style but it seems we are heading right back that way.


What are the implications of this one week for Quaker Ridge and Fenway and Sleepy Hollow who have the same restoration (Hanse)  crew? Did Gil teach them anything about each property being unique and the "need" to have it's own identity?


Check back in a few years but the initial reports are less than encouraging especially with MID AM at SHCC and Fenway where I am sure they will try to have "healthy rough" and "tough but fair".  Even better, perhaps the clubs can compete against each other to achieve a +5!!!


Count me out on all things USGA.

[Steve Lapper]

Yes the monotony of Parkland Golf Winged Foot style for the majority of club golfers.


For many years every Westchester club "followed" Winged Foot and based it's tree management and maintenance processes on Winged Foot the "best" course in the area.  With the advent of the "restoration" movement it appeared the clubs were moving away from the cookie cutter copy cat style but it seems we are heading right back that way.


What are the implications of this one week for Quaker Ridge and Fenway and Sleepy Hollow who have the same restoration (Hanse)  crew? Did Gil teach them anything about each property being unique and the "need" to have it's own identity?


Check back in a few years but the initial reports are less than encouraging especially with MID AM at SHCC and Fenway where I am sure they will try to have "healthy rough" and "tough but fair".  Even better, perhaps the clubs can compete against each other to achieve a +5!!!


Count me out on all things USGA.

  Corey is absolutely correct on his Westchester perspective (only thing I can seem to agree with him theses days!  ). The last few years have seen a parallel path of both "opening up the courses," as well as "differentiation of presentation,"...each focused on emphasizing the unique architecture of each venue. There is little left of the claustrophobia that dominated the county's courses over the last 1/2 a century.

QR and Fenway, and Wykagyl now look and play much truer to their original intent. They are vastly more enjoyable. Same can be said for Whippoorwill  Century and Siwanoy. Sleepy Hollow, IMO, is in a class by itself. While still technically a Parkland-style layout, it's property and large-scale are finally revealed and embraced.

  Gil's work throughout deserves ample credit, but equally so are the efforts of a handful of concerned members who often had to fight their club's stasis to push to achieve these improvements. Corey and Neil were amongst them. Winged Foot, the royalty of Westchester remains the leader in the clubhouse, but the field is close on their heels. We local golfing plebes are a happy lot these days.

  What is especially interesting about this Open is the amount of relative autonomy they've ceded to the cigar-chomping Steve Rabideau. This guy is a gem. He's a fully-investing walking human- humidor who has prepped the place for over two years in anticipation of this event. While the blue bloods of Far Hills have the final say, they've finally gotten the message that the "local talent is wiser than the supposed experts." Steve and his crew have the place totally dialed and the fall weather up this way has been practically perfect. Let's hope none of the outsiders mess too much with this perfection!

PS... Any wind above 10mph will require Kleenex tissue boxes off the side of every tee and green....maybe even crocodile-sized. It'll be sooooo much fun!

[William_G]

so much better on TV without all the spectators and additional infrastructure

[Thomas Dai]

A Fried Egg podcast about Winged Foot 1974 including comments from winner Hale Irwin - https://thefriedegg.com/fried-egg-podcast/fried-egg-stories-episode-10-the-test-hale-irwin-at-winged-foot/ - worth a listen.


I wonder if whoever wins the US Open this week, ie 2020, were given the clubs and balls Hale Irwin used to win in 1974 what his gross score would be in comparison to what he shoots with modern equipment in winning this week?
Same with Fuzzy’s 1984 equipment and Geoff Ogilvy’s 2006 as well. Four round gross score comparisons.


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[V. Kmetz]

I noticed only one green where the rear sloped to the back so that shots more likely to run over. Is that typical of Tillinghast?


Ira

It is at WFW... only 6 and 4 can be said to "run front to back"... the East has some differing variety, but it too is predominantly a back to front sloped course in terms of greens.

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