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Bill Shamleffer

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OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« on: December 29, 2017, 11:46:15 AM »
I was reading an article today about what will occur when the Queen dies, and one item mentioned was that if the Queen were to die during Ascot, it will likely be scrapped.


Of course this got me thinking - What would happen if the Queen were to die during The Open Championship?
I expect it would continue; too big of a global commercial/sporing event to be cancelled.  But would it be toned down in some manner?
“The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.”  Damon Runyon

Kalen Braley

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 11:49:17 AM »
Bill,


I'm genuinely curious.  How do you tone down a golf tournament?

Tom_Doak

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 08:15:56 PM »
I was reading an article today about what will occur when the Queen dies, and one item mentioned was that if the Queen were to die during Ascot, it will likely be scrapped.


Of course this got me thinking - What would happen if the Queen were to die during The Open Championship?
I expect it would continue; too big of a global commercial/sporing event to be cancelled.  But would it be toned down in some manner?


Well, the Open is not usually contested a mile from Windsor Castle, and the Queen never attends, so I doubt it would be scrapped.  The gallery might be a bit more subdued.  Or it might not!

Marty Bonnar

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 08:17:54 PM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Mike Sweeney

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 08:20:07 PM »
As a fan of The Crown, I look forward to that episode!







"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

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Mike Sweeney

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 08:23:18 PM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


And what should we do with Royal Dornoch :)
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Marty Bonnar

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 08:24:57 PM »
Mike,
Dear friend.
Over-dramatised keech for the extremely hard-of-thinking, I’m afraid.
A Hollywoodised view of our outdated political and class system at the very best!
Please take them over the pond. You’d be very welcome!
Much love,
M.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Marty Bonnar

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 08:26:00 PM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


And what should we do with Royal Dornoch :)


And the R&A just becomes the, ehm, A.
Sad, not.
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Rich Goodale

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2017, 10:25:52 AM »
Not really, FBD.  If and when the Windsor Royals get the boot, anybody and everybody can call themselves "Royal."  If they want to.  Expect Royal Loch Lomond and Royal Queenswood to change their stationary and the logo they put on their merchandise.  Look forward to a future of Royal Poundland, the Royal and Ancient Hairdressers and Royal Scunthorpe Potatoes.  As for "Royal" Dornoch, it will revert to Dornoch, which is what the locals call it anyway.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2017, 10:51:42 AM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


Yes. Vive la république. It never ceases to amaze me that citizens of the US, whose republic has over two centuries and more been one of the glories of humanity, are so keen on our inbred toffee nosed soap opera.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." (Denis Diderot).
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Thomas Dai

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2017, 11:00:11 AM »
I wonder who’s played more rounds in the last 12 months, a certain Prince who happens to be an ex-Captain of the R&A or the Potus?
Just curious! :)
Atb


PS - from 1 min in - [size=78%]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SLtwFugudZE[/size] - :)

Sean_A

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2017, 11:01:18 AM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.

Yes. Vive la république. It never ceases to amaze me that citizens of the US, whose republic has over two centuries and more been one of the glories of humanity, are so keen on our inbred toffee nosed soap opera.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." (Denis Diderot).


Man, you got me boths ways.  I swore an allegiance to the Queen and her heirs wih my right hand on the bible!  If the bloody Queen goes I want my fiver back...in cash. In truth, I don't give a damn about the royals. Their existence or not makes not a bit of difference to my world.  I certainly wouldn't waste perfectly good political philosophy on a Monarch with no power.  Truth be told, these lot are better than most uber-rich folks such as Trump and his pals.  At least they are obliged to be paraded now and again. 

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Jon Wiggett

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2017, 11:43:33 AM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


Yes. Vive la république. It never ceases to amaze me that citizens of the US, whose republic has over two centuries and more been one of the glories of humanity, are so keen on our inbred toffee nosed soap opera.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." (Denis Diderot).


Adam,


If I had to chose between Betty or Trump I think I'll take royalty. You can keep your Mr. President. ;)

BCrosby

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2017, 12:25:40 PM »
"...our inbred toffee nosed soap opera."

Adam - I'm not sure what that means, but I get your drift and intend to use the phrase at the first opportunity.


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Peter Pallotta

Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2017, 12:53:32 PM »
 :)  Yeah, me too, Bob - terrific phrase.


You know, true story: I stood not 5 feet away from Her Majesty for 30 minutes as she gave a very fine speech to award winning volunteers, about collective causes and social commitments and participating in the common good. She spoke with conviction, and while she's probably given that same speech hundreds if not thousands of times, it had a freshness and the ring of truth, and was actually quite touching. Later in the day, I again stood not 5 feet from Her Majesty as she greeted, for more than an hour, all the VIPs and their guests at a special reception. I was impressed: she was 'present' and gracious to each one of them; and again, it was touching to see the wide-eyed expressions of affection and respect in the faces of those guests, many of them from Canada's Monarchist League for whom, it was so clear, such a meeting was the highlight of their year.  A year later, I was assigned to guide His Royal Highness Prince Charles during a tour of a local university's high-tech lab -- and yet again, I was impressed by his presence and kindness to and (seemingly) genuine interest in each of the students he met and in their plans and ambitions. A palpably decent man, and a very gentle one. 


None of which is to say that I disagree with or don't understand the views of friends like FBD and Sean; but, perhaps being a bit sentimental, it's to say that for many, many people still the 'meaning' and 'function' of the Monarchy resonates deeply, i.e. the continuity and sense of stability and perennial civic virtues. I'll never forget how surprised I was to learn that my father, a then-22 year old Italian lad who'd arrived, alone, in Canada just five years earlier, had traveled from Toronto to Ottawa in 1957 to be there for young Queen Elizabeth II's visit.  I didn't hear the story until decades later, and when I expressed my surprise and asked him why he went, he seemed almost shocked. He said "Because I was Canadian, and she was our Queen".


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Adam Lawrence

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2017, 01:58:04 PM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


Yes. Vive la république. It never ceases to amaze me that citizens of the US, whose republic has over two centuries and more been one of the glories of humanity, are so keen on our inbred toffee nosed soap opera.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." (Denis Diderot).


Adam,


If I had to chose between Betty or Trump I think I'll take royalty. You can keep your Mr. President. ;)


But you don't. Thankfully
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
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Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Michael Moore

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2017, 04:02:41 PM »

This is a topic of endless fascination as I was raised by liberal democrats (who walked the walk every day) but also in part by a grandfather who served in various Royal Navies for forty-three years. I was exposed to every aspect of the monarch, from tea-towel cartoon to commander-in-chief. To collapse this panoply of interests and history as an "inbred toffee nosed soap opera" is like referring to the founding fathers as wealthy slave owners hell-bent on preserving a certain standard of living - true enough from the perspective of pure political economy, but incomplete.

When I encountered Edmund Burke at my semiotics-imbued university, I did not know what to make of this impassioned defense of the old ways. Now that I have lived long enough to see these norms become just a political lever to be exploited, and torch-bearing mobs taking to the streets to protest the imagined behaviors of a real elite, it makes a bit more sense.

"But power, of some kind or other, will survive the shock in which manners and opinions perish; and it will find other and worse means for its support. The usurpation which, in order to subvert ancient institutions, has destroyed ancient principles, will hold power by arts similar to those by which it has acquired it. When the old feudal and chivalrous spirit of fealty, which, by freeing kings from fear, freed both kings and subjects from the precautions of tyranny, shall be extinct in the minds of men, plots and assassinations will be anticipated by preventive murder and preventive confiscation, and that long roll of grim and bloody maxims, which form the political code of all power, not standing on its own honour, and the honour of those who are to obey it. Kings will be tyrants from policy, when subjects are rebels from principle." - Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
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Steve Lang

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2017, 08:54:09 PM »
 8) being more of a Twain man...  in regard to Queen Victoria's Jubilee, June 1897


"So far as I can see, a procession has value in but two ways—as a show and as a symbol; its minor func- tion being to delight the eye, its major one to compel thought, exalt the spirit, stir the heart and inflame the imagination. As a mere show, and meaningless—like a mardi-gras march—a magnificent procession is a sight worth a journey to see; as a symbol, the most colorless and unpicturesque procession, if it have a moving history back of it, is worth a thousand of it.

Quite a procession we see from this side of the pond... 
 
 
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2018, 01:20:32 PM »
It would be most splendid if the monarchy died with her.


Yes. Vive la république. It never ceases to amaze me that citizens of the US, whose republic has over two centuries and more been one of the glories of humanity, are so keen on our inbred toffee nosed soap opera.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." (Denis Diderot).


Adam,


If I had to chose between Betty or Trump I think I'll take royalty. You can keep your Mr. President. ;)


But you don't. Thankfully


Yes indeed Adam, thankfully not.

Niall C

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2018, 10:00:55 AM »
FBD, you should be ashamed of yourself. A lovely woman, and I won’t hear a word against her !!
 
In all seriousness I can kind of understand where FBD and others are coming from however I suspect most are like me and just see a dignified elderly lady who represents the country quite admirably (IMO). Put me down as one who definitely prefers a non-political figurehead to a twitter mad ego maniac or a President Macron type desperate to give himself airs and graces.
 
But back to the actual question – I’m pretty sure that the competition will carry on albeit with (off-course) flags at half-mast.
 
Niall

Brian_Ewen

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Re: OT (very) - perhaps only of interest to our UK members
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2018, 09:21:07 PM »
Of course this got me thinking - What would happen if the Queen were to die during The Open Championship?
I expect it would continue; too big of a global commercial/sporing event to be cancelled.  But would it be toned down in some manner?


Only if the Americans got frightened and refused to travel.