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Mike Hendren

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Juxtaposition Holes
« on: November 02, 2017, 10:23:19 AM »
Think back to the game:  One of these is not like the others. 

But they still fit in nicely.

The 9th at The Old Course:  Suddenly the boundary is on the left.

The 7th at Victoria National:  Suddenly there's a soothing visual and safe respite from the mining pits.

The 16th at Wolf Point:  Extreme width from the tee gives way to the creek down the left side.

The 7th and 12th at Pacific Dunes.  Doak channels H. S. Colt at the 7th (one of my favorite holes in America) with a more confining tee shot and then provides wide open spaces at the 12th.

I like this effect.  Other examples?

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Phil McDade

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Re: Juxtaposition Holes
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2017, 12:15:53 PM »
Langford does some of this at Lawsonia -- in particular, he hits you at #'s 6, 7, and 8 with three true target greens, where missing the green is a significant penalty, and it's all there to see; it's obvious what you have to do. Then he dials it back with a lay-of-the-land green at the dogleg par 5 9th, that is hidden from view from the golfer going for the green in two. A nice curve ball in the middle of the round.

Ted Sirbaugh

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Re: Juxtaposition Holes
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 10:23:07 PM »
The current 7th at Dornoch comes to my mind... I like the way it breaks up the flow of the routing, and it's part of the reason that I am unsure about them building the new 7th

Mike Hendren

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Re: Juxtaposition Holes
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 08:18:09 AM »
Thanks Ted.   The 7th at Royal Dornoch is Exhibit A.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Juxtaposition Holes
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 08:59:39 AM »
Back in the day, Tom Weiskoph strived to design up and back holes, with the long par 4 into the wind and the short par 5 downwind, so (in his mind) golfers could expect a 4 on the 5 and a 5 on the 4.   
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Juxtaposition Holes
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 09:24:20 AM »
Alwoodley 3rd and 4th


short "easy" par 5
long hard par 4

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