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Ira Fishman

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« on: September 03, 2019, 08:23:24 AM »
I just read in Fried Egg about Doak, Hanse, and Keiser teaming up to support one of bids for East Potomac and Rock Creek, including Tom and Gil waiving fees. That is wonderful. Good luck with the proposal!


Ira


Is Langston part of proposal too?

MCirba

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2019, 08:50:12 AM »
This would be very cool if it happens. I've played both courses and there is definitely an opportunity to create something rather special.


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John Emerson

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2019, 11:26:55 AM »
Since I’ve moved to northern Virginia area I have played EPP multiple times and I just love to visualize things that were once there every time I play.  You can still see remnants of some pretty amazing complexes and bunkers.
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Craig Disher

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2019, 12:25:23 PM »
The key word in the rfp is "affordable." If the NPS looks at the fees and assumes that they should be kept at that level, no matter who is responsible for the renovation both courses will revert to their traditional poor conditions. I don't see how courses that are on difficult sites (flooding at EP, trees and serious elevation at RC) can maintain good conditions with green fees set at $20-35.

There's no mention of Langston in the proposal although I think it would be a better candidate than EP. It's a better site and much less threatened with flooding. I lived in DC for many years and flooding of parts of EP was fairly frequent event. Drying out took weeks.

Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2019, 04:48:11 PM »
If they are serious about this then they must have those in charge see CommonGround which took a very flat and uninteresting piece of property and made it into a fun and challenging course.

James Brown

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2019, 11:08:50 PM »
The key word in the rfp is "affordable." If the NPS looks at the fees and assumes that they should be kept at that level, no matter who is responsible for the renovation both courses will revert to their traditional poor conditions. I don't see how courses that are on difficult sites (flooding at EP, trees and serious elevation at RC) can maintain good conditions with green fees set at $20-35.

There's no mention of Langston in the proposal although I think it would be a better candidate than EP. It's a better site and much less threatened with flooding. I lived in DC for many years and flooding of parts of EP was fairly frequent event. Drying out took weeks.


EPP is one of my three “home” courses in the DC area and the one closest to my office.  I’ve played it several hundred times since 2001. 


The affordability question for EPP could be solved by a local rate of some kind.  The walking green fee is $31/35 with a $15 cart fee.  There is currently no form of annual membership, so you might be able to establish a local membership to solve the affordability issue. 


EPP sits on a site with a whole lot of potential.  You only need to look the historic pictures to see that.  I think the flooding issues are manageable so long as you can move some earth.  The site was 5-7 feet higher 100 years ago and has gradually sunken as the river fill it is built on has settled. 


The Rock Creek site would also be very good if you could remove a whole bunch of trees.  That will be the key issue.  There are couple of good holes still there that could be built upon.