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Jason Topp

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Clear Creek Tahoe
« on: May 17, 2016, 01:31:41 PM »
I visited Clear Creek Tahoe last week and played 72 holes over two days.

Ran's profile does a wonderful job of capturing the essence of the course:

http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/clear-creek-tahoe/

 The profile does not capture the beauty of Lake Tahoe which I had never visited before:



Jim Kidd - formerly of Sand Hills, Friar's Head and Windsong is the new General Manager of the facility and was our host for the visit.  I can attest that he provides the perfect type of service for my tastes - everything is taken care of with little apparent effort and without fanfare.  The focus is on golf rather than frills.

From a golf architecture perspective, the focus has to start on Bill Coore's routing.  Despite some significant elevation change on the course, I found the course to be a very pleasant walk. 

After a solid but straightforward uphill 500 yard 1st and a 170 yard uphill 2nd to a green tucked around a dune or rock outcropping, the third tee provides a spectacular vista.  The hole is not that unusual for a mountain course, but reaching it with a pleasant walk rather than a long cart ride makes you feel like you earned it.  I am not sure I have seen a picture that adequately captures the drop on this hole but here is my attempt:



The par 3 4th is a nasty hole for which you cannot miss right and if you hit the green on the left side with a right hand pin, you have several options for feeding the ball near the slope over the severe tier:



The front nine consists of the more severe terrain, with the big climb taking place from holes five through seven.  That climb is broken up by three terrific golf holes - the short par 4 5th, a dogleg left reverse cant 6th that can be reached in two if one braves the uphill left hand side of the fairway and then a very good long par 4 7th top a green sitting in a saddle at the summit.

The 9th is a dogleg left par 4 with a second shot that looks downhill from the fairway and uphill when you look back from the green.  I think it is uphill but regardless it is a wonderful green for an approach that can range from 100 to 200 yards depending on the weather and your tee shot.  The green works at all of those lengths because of the tiers that both demand accuracy and provide cushion for a running shot:


The back nine goes out and back on a plateau and is a very pleasant walk. 

This is a view from the left front of the 13th green - a long par five to a fantastic green. 



The 15th is a par 4 that reminds one of the 13th at Augusta.  A stream crosses at an angle from right to left off the tee, follows the left side of the hole and then crosses in front of the green that is most easily approached from the left side of the fairway.  Here is a view of the approach:



After a difficult 16th, the course finishes with a pitching wedge 17th to a big green that requires a precise pitch due to significant undulations and a general cant away from the tee.  The 18th is a short par five that has an interesting green that seems to slope front to back and left to right with a Coore "toilet bowl" bunker guarding the front of the green. 

Back to Lake Tahoe - this was my view while sipping morning coffee. 

« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 11:19:18 AM by Jason Topp »

Jim Franklin

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 04:39:15 PM »
Love it up there.
Mr Hurricane

Jason Topp

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 10:52:06 AM »
2nd Shot on 13:


Jason Topp

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2016, 10:55:53 AM »
Better picture of 13 Green:


Brad Tufts

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2016, 11:11:24 AM »
What an awesome place...one of my surprises (I held back doing much research before playing) of a few years ago.

I too liked #13, with the distant backdrop of the Southern Lake Tahoe mountain ranges, and the next hole, the short 4 with the small pushup green.  I really liked 17-18 as well, short three with many pin locations, and a reachable par five.

Also, CCT has one of the world's great driving ranges.  Quiet location, pristine turf, benches for hanging out, some uneven lies, teeing areas at multiple elevations, many targets with bunkers, all into a huge backdrop of a several hundred-foot rock outcropping that makes each flight look majestic no matter how you hit it.  Too bad it's a mile cart ride from the clubhouse, but that helps the seclusion.  And ProVs!
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Jason Topp

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2016, 11:22:34 AM »
Also, CCT has one of the world's great driving ranges.  Quiet location, pristine turf, benches for hanging out, some uneven lies, teeing areas at multiple elevations, many targets with bunkers, all into a huge backdrop of a several hundred-foot rock outcropping that makes each flight look majestic no matter how you hit it.  Too bad it's a mile cart ride from the clubhouse, but that helps the seclusion.  And ProVs!

On our final evening we spent two hours on the range hitting a variety of shots, sipping Negro Modelo and enjoying the setting:


Brad Tufts

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2016, 11:45:16 AM »
Perfect!

If the range was the only thing there, it would be worth the trip.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 12:18:22 PM »
It should be noted C&C did not design or build the range.

Dave McCollum

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 12:44:26 PM »
 I really loved the course, but I like mountain golf and haven’t played a lot of C&C courses (4 counting the two at Bandon).  They were punching the greens late in the Fall.  No matter, it was a very fun, fairly challenging, as are all of their courses I’ve played.  We were about the only golfers there that day and played it so fast, skipping the green they were working on, that I don’t remember it as well as should have.  Thanks for the pictures.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2016, 05:03:03 PM »
A few months ago I started a thread about places where you could buy a home and be close to excellent golf and skiing.  (I think I said "world-class," at least for the skiing, but that may have been too high a standard.)  Haven't been there, but Clear Creek strikes me as being on the short list.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2016, 05:18:23 PM »
It should be noted C&C did not design or build the range.

I'm sure that C&C built it, but I can remember reading that their then president designed it?
Anthony J. Nysse
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Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Jason Topp

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2016, 07:14:18 AM »
It should be noted C&C did not design or build the range.

I'm sure that C&C built it, but I can remember reading that their then president designed it?


I do not know who built the range but the story I was told was that Bill Coore did not want a range because there was no place to put one near the course. The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.

David Wuthrich

Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2016, 10:56:38 AM »
Love Clear Creek!

Tom_Doak

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2016, 07:54:04 PM »
The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.


I am sure that this is an excellent course, however the above quote makes me wonder just a bit.  The whole point of a golf course is to irresistably attract golfers.  If they want to stay on the range, there's something wrong, either with the course or with the golfers.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2016, 08:46:00 PM »
The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.


I am sure that this is an excellent course, however the above quote makes me wonder just a bit.  The whole point of a golf course is to irresistably attract golfers.  If they want to stay on the range, there's something wrong, either with the course or with the golfers.

It's likely not that simple, unless you want to say that golfers with just enough time to hit range balls is "wrong".
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Jason Topp

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2016, 09:26:24 PM »
The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.


I am sure that this is an excellent course, however the above quote makes me wonder just a bit.  The whole point of a golf course is to irresistably attract golfers.  If they want to stay on the range, there's something wrong, either with the course or with the golfers.


Strange conclusion.  I have seen plenty of great courses with busy ranges.  I don't think activity on the range correlates at all to the quality of the course. 

Peter Pallotta

Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2016, 09:58:48 PM »
On the other hand, heading to Tahoe to hit balls on the range sounds a bit like going to Vegas for a Big Mac and fries in your room....

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2016, 10:03:35 AM »
It should be noted C&C did not design or build the range.

I'm sure that C&C built it, but I can remember reading that their then president designed it?

Mark Sollenberger had a lot of input, with shapers from the Coore Crenshaw team handling the construction, if I'm not mistaken.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2016, 01:36:26 PM »
The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.


I am sure that this is an excellent course, however the above quote makes me wonder just a bit.  The whole point of a golf course is to irresistably attract golfers.  If they want to stay on the range, there's something wrong, either with the course or with the golfers.

Course is terrific and range is first class. Personally, I would have been out there playing as it is a fun course, but I can see the appeal of hanging with your buddies on that range hitting shots for cash.
Mr Hurricane

Stephen Northrup

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2016, 08:03:39 AM »
Despite (or perhaps because of) botching the 18th on my one and only visit, I would have gone right back to the first tee if I didn't have to get back to the Bay Area that evening. I was also surprised that it was a relatively easy walk for a course in the mountains.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Clear Creek Tahoe
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2016, 07:29:14 AM »
The Club clearly made the correct decision on that issue.  Despite it being very early in the season the range was getting use all day on a weekend where there were not a lot of people on the golf course.


I am sure that this is an excellent course, however the above quote makes me wonder just a bit.  The whole point of a golf course is to irresistably attract golfers.  If they want to stay on the range, there's something wrong, either with the course or with the golfers.


Strange conclusion.  I have seen plenty of great courses with busy ranges.  I don't think activity on the range correlates at all to the quality of the course.

Correct, I remember reading the same thing. Joel Stewarts claims that C&C didn't even build it. I believe that's a false statement.
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL