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Mike_Young

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Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« on: February 13, 2016, 09:54:25 AM »
I've said this before but just last nite I had a guy explain how Bobby Jones  (I have always regarded much of Bobby Jones as myth anyway )had told Donald Ross what he needed to do on two greens at our course and that he had placed several "strategic trees" ( would have been seedlings) in a turn.  So they can never be removed...all pure BS...
And this is not the only place this stuff happens...
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Bill_McBride

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2016, 09:56:57 AM »
You should call Bob Crosby right now and get reindoctrinated.

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2016, 10:02:34 AM »
I have read several accounts of Robert Trent Jones philosophy of building 'strategic' holes.  Jimmy Demeret was quoted while playing with Jones, "Hey Trent! I saw a course you'd love.  You stand on the first tee box and take a penalty stroke".







Joe


"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

- Mike Nuzzo

Mike_Young

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2016, 10:09:25 AM »
You should call Bob Crosby right now and get reindoctrinated.
Bill,
you have it backwards.  BC calls me...
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

BCowan

Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2016, 10:41:14 AM »
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? 

Mike_Young

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2016, 10:46:11 AM »
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

No...It's cold and I'm not playing golf so I'm stirring Sh*t.

Go back to bed.
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Phil Young

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2016, 01:46:58 PM »
Mike,

I know of at least a half dozen Tilly courses whose members believe that a specific par-3 on their course was "Tilly's favorite" among all he ever built... For decades the tale of Sam Snead walking off Bethpage Black during a 1940 exhibition match against Byron Nelson because he believed the course was "too hard to play" has been echoed on to all who stepped foot on the property. Of course that Snead set the course record on the Black 2 years BEFORE his Nelson exhibition and that the newspaper accounts showed that he & Nelson tied in match play with Snead again tying his own, even-par record score while Nelson shot the first under par round on the Black with his 70, somewhere got lost in the sands of time.

Unfortunately, even though many clubs have fairly good and substantial records going back to the days they were founded, many, many do not. We should never be surprised when incorrect understandings of a club/course past is revealed...

Kalen Braley

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Re: Is there much fallibilism in golf architecture history?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2016, 06:11:54 PM »
I heard there was a certain course in Georgia that has a bunch of holes fashioned after TOC!!

Go figure..   :)