Par 4 Redan

[Mark_Fine]

The Redan green complex is the most copied hole/design style in the world and variations of it are used on zillions of par threes, par fours, and par fives. 

[Doug Siebert]

The 14th at TPC Deere Run has to be played like a Redan if you want to put it on the green and keep it there.

[Zack Molnar]

Wouldnt a par-4 redan hole need to be of decent length so players have a longer club into the green and get that ability to run the ball down the green, rather than just having a short iron that spins and wont roll out.

The hole that came to mind for me is 6 at Camargo, with a sharply sloping green from front right to back left. However, the green is pushed up, so you have to fly it all the way to the green to get it run down the green, which can be perilous if the ball comes in just a little too hot.

[Jon Wiggett]

Wouldnt a par-4 redan hole need to be of decent length so players have a longer club into the green and get that ability to run the ball down the green, rather than just having a short iron that spins and wont roll out.

Zack,

it could also be a drivable par 4. I can assure you that in the case of the original Redan, in the summer when it is firm it is very, very difficult to stop even a short iron on it.

Jon

[Mark McKeever]

The opening hole at Morris County GC in NJ has a redan like second shot.  It's a great opener to a very solid 18 holes!!!

Mark

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

Wouldnt a par-4 redan hole need to be of decent length so players have a longer club into the green and get that ability to run the ball down the green, rather than just having a short iron that spins and wont roll out.

Zach: if a par-4 was to be played like a Redan, it would require a long second shot but this is Raynor adapting the concept. He was not always trying to create a true two-shot Redan, but using the green design on a two-shot hole. At Yale's 8th and Fishers Island's 12th, the slope injects itself into the approach shot depending on location of the hole and the angle of the approach. The slope can be a hindrance or a help. If the tee shot is off line to the side of the kick slope, playing over it on the approach is a rule concern, land the golf ball on the slope and it can kick the shot off the green. Conversely, if the tee shot is misplayed to the opposite side of the slope, using the slope as a backstop can be the best way to get onto the putting surface. There is a risk, however. A shot played too far and over the slope results in an automatic double bogey, at best.

Anthony

[Zack Molnar]

Zach: if a par-4 was to be played like a Redan, it would require a long second shot but this is Raynor adapting the concept. He was not always trying to create a true two-shot Redan, but using the green design on a two-shot hole. At Yale's 8th and Fishers Island's 12th, the slope injects itself into the approach shot depending on location of the hole and the angle of the approach. The slope can be a hindrance or a help. If the tee shot is off line to the side of the kick slope, playing over it on the approach is a rule concern, land the golf ball on the slope and it can kick the shot off the green. Conversely, if the tee shot is misplayed to the opposite side of the slope, using the slope as a backstop can be the best way to get onto the putting surface. There is a risk, however. A shot played too far and over the slope results in an automatic double bogey, at best.

Anthony
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Anthony,

That makes a lot of sense. The hole that came to mind for me with that kick slope is #2 at Pasatiempo, where you can feed the ball onto the green from the side slope in front, but would be more difficult to hold the green from that side. Is that a good example?

[jeffwarne]

Wouldnt a par-4 redan hole need to be of decent length so players have a longer club into the green and get that ability to run the ball down the green, rather than just having a short iron that spins and wont roll out.

The hole that came to mind for me is 6 at Camargo, with a sharply sloping green from front right to back left. However, the green is pushed up, so you have to fly it all the way to the green to get it run down the green, which can be perilous if the ball comes in just a little too hot.

#3 at North Shore on LI is a longish Redan 2 shotter

Zack,
Why couldn't a Redan green be used on a hole of any length?
A running shot can be produced from any distance, and I would argue a shorter Redan 2 shotter would provide great challenge and/or imagination for a highly skilled player while occasionally delighting the weaker player

[Thomas Dai]

Par-4 12th at Whittington Heath, a rather nice Harry Colt heathland NE of Birmingham, seems a bit Redan-like. A fine, strong hole on a very fine course, a course certainly worth playing (and not far away from Nottingham/Buda).



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