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Brad Klein

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Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« on: April 02, 2002, 03:20:53 AM »
After 6 1/2 years of permitting, reports, hand-wringing and waiting, construction work has finally begun at our town's municipal layout. Pete Dye is doing the design for $1, ably assisted by his associate, Tim Liddy. Am I excited? The first tee of Wintonbury Hills GC is 2.4 miles from my front door. Every day that I'm home I'm out there chasing bulldozers and helping flag bunkers and tees.

We have a 280-acre site, but owing to wetlands, power lines and various restrictions, have only been able to squeeze a 6,560-yard, par-70 layout out of the land. But it will have lots of ground character.
 
You can read all about it in Golfweek (March 30) or Superintendent News (April 5).
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2002, 04:13:24 AM »
Brad,
I well remember the initial buzz so long, long ago. I was in my first season  at Hotchkiss School GC and some friends from Torrington CC were over playing. Everyone was excited with the promise of a Pete Dye course so close by and plans were being made to play it as soon as it opened. A bit premature on our part.  :)
So glad to hear that ground has been broken.  
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John_Conley

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Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2002, 07:53:08 AM »
Bradley:

Congratulations!   :D

Look forward to reading more.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 07:23:41 AM »
Brad,
Just wondering how all is going at Wintonbury Hills. Will there be any upcoming articles in GW/GSN or can you update on this site?
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Brad Klein

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Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2002, 08:14:02 PM »
Dec. 13 issue of Superintendent News will have a two-page spread with detailed text and some construction before/after photos. Good news is we grassed all 18 greens, finished all the shaping work, grassed 9 fairways and sodded most of the roughs. We're still on schedule for a Sept. 1 opening, at which time (or soon therefater) we'll have a rater/GCA fest there for all to see and critique.

As I am not able to scan and upload my slides, I'm sending them to Tommy Naccarato and he'll do a photo essay that will appear here on GCA when the article shows up.

I'm co-chair of the municipal building committee, and all I can say is that I spend way too much time at meetings. Tim Liddy has been great, having made 20 trips this year, and Dye has been out there as well, so it's been fascinating if a bit overdue - seven years since we started.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2002, 08:35:46 PM »
Brad,
Will the article cross over to GW or the website? I don't receive SN anymore.

That's good news about the course. Golfers in Ct. have been experiencing the seven year itch.
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. cours
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2002, 07:09:03 AM »
Brad-Not because I can't wait, but I was wondering the other day how you would describe the course. Is it typical Pete? does it incorporate a strategic design ala the newer perceived trend? I assume Pete works just as hard for a $1 as he would for a million. Can you confirm or at least give your impressions.

Enquiring minds want to know.

After those seven years of meetings, are there any unturned stones that may still require input, ala form and/or functionality. Any doubts on policy. I only ask because of my immersion into publinx for the last two decades and would love to help solve any problems seen or otherwise.
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Matt Kardash

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Re:Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2003, 10:33:07 PM »
how has this turned out? it sounds interesting
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2003, 08:53:48 AM »
Brad Klein,

I'm happy for you and others that the project is actually under construction, but, there is something desperately wrong with the system when it takes seven (7) years to get underway.

Kelly_Blake_Moran

Re:Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2003, 09:39:09 AM »
Patrick,

Seven years seems excessive.  I am at 6 years with a project and we probably have another 16 months before construction could realistically begin.  However, there is a lot to consider.  I was in the forest two days ago walking a couple of holes that were staked for me, big, mature trees, a sizeable creek, wetland trenchs cutting down to the creek, and I spent about 30 minutes doing nothing else but just looking up into the canopy observing the many birds living in the upper stories, and surveying the whole scence knowing that the netire area I was looking at must be cleared to make way for two holes and an irrigation pond.  It makes you wonder what the hell you are doing when you realize what a major impact you can have on the environment.  You can look ahead and know that the landscape you create can be very interesting, I mean I will maintain the wetland drainage ways and probably increase them through the two holes, and the irrigation pond will have a littoral bench completely around it, so it will be a beautiful area once done, but there is no way I can sit there looking up as I did and think that I am improving the present situation.  Progress yes, but it makes you pause and realize the tremendous impact we all impart on the land when we undertake these projects, and the silliness in our assertions that we are environmental advocates, we work with the land, yes to some degree, but...So, the review process is mind numbing, it is ridiculous at times, it is political, it is nasty at times, it negatively impacts people's lives, by which I mean there are many good hard working people that make a living building these communities and the longer the delays, the more projects that get scuttled by the process, the worse off these people become, but there is a heavy price to be paid in the natural world once we get the green light to start work.  Nothing pleases me more to see the construction people out on the site.  They are making decent livings, they mean well, they have families to feed, and it is a source of pleasure to see them busy building these communities, but, there is an emotional burden to bear when you know the depth of the impacts you are making, and I think by spending much time in the natural world you use that burden to make damn certain you are doing everything you can to lessen those impacts, and make something positive out of what you are doing.  I heard a war photographer talking the other day about one of his heros whom encountered a gruesome situation, and it broke him, he gave it up because it just got to be too much, and while that is a major example, it could be somewhat analagous to someone in the development business whether a designer, a developer, a contractor, whom could finally encounter a situation where they might say enough is enough, this is just too heavy an impact to make on this natural place.  I wonder how many people move from the development side to the protectionism side?  Anyway it is a burdensome process, but there are a number of architects and developers that need to be challenged and beaten back from their assault on the natural world.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2003, 10:44:59 PM »
Kelly,
Thank you for your post. It's nice to see someone who has a personal stake in the golf construction business taking such a
responsive view on the environment.

redanman,
Golf courses better than shopping malls? In a quantum world how can you be sure?
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Yancey_Beamer

Re:Work finally begins at Bloomfield, Conn. course
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2003, 11:02:31 PM »
Brad,
Congratulations on your tenacity.
Yancey