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Marty Bonnar

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Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« on: November 15, 2012, 03:22:00 PM »
Would you pay money for it?
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

David_Tepper

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 03:25:51 PM »
Martin -

Who is the first?

DT

Bill_McBride

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 03:36:37 PM »
Would you pay money for it?

What is "it?"

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 03:37:44 PM »
Why, 'design' of course, dearest Unc...

David,
I'd bet everyone has their own idea...! ;)
However, as he'd only ever be capable of producing an exceedingly boring golf course, the 2nd dullest man can only possibly be an improvement.
CLUE: The 2nd dullest man may actually be about to 'design' something...

MB.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Michael Moore

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 03:43:21 PM »
Who is the second dullest man in golf?
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 03:46:10 PM »
MM,
it possibly matters not.
The idea might be that you would know the mostest dullestest man's work would be abysmal, wouldn't you, but the 2nd most dullest man's? How might that pan out?

F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Bruce Katona

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 03:51:16 PM »
I am not a paid golf design consultant, nor do I have 200 wonderful acres ready for the D-8's!

 Third dullest?

Michael Moore

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 03:59:11 PM »
Absolutely. As Flaubert opined, "Be regular and orderly in your life, like the bourgeois, so that you may be violent and original in your work.”
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 04:49:18 PM »
Anton Ego:

"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Peter Pallotta

Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 04:52:21 PM »
Martin - I think I understand what you're asking, and, yes, I would play that course. The 2nd dullest man in the world might be less dull than the world's dullest man precisely because he is aware of his own dull-ness (a self-awareness that the dullest man in the world surely lacks), and in this realization he would be driven to overcome his own dull-ness and strive for something exciting and interesting. Now, this striving can go either way, and normally it goes not for the better -- i.e. the resulting course is over thought and overly detailed. Ah, but remember, we are dealing with an essentially dull man, a dullard, and so even when he's trying to be interesting and exciting, everything he does comes off as slightly muted and understated. So, who knows -- he just might design something like Garden City or Common Ground!!!

Peter
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 04:54:20 PM by PPallotta »

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 05:15:37 PM »
Bob Dylan is the second dullest man in Rock.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 05:18:32 PM »
Just because he is the brother of the dullest, I hope you aren't suggesting that Ken is the 2nd dullest.

;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 05:27:58 PM »
It may be that I already do...not knowing personally many of the architects whose courses I love so much...who knows? :P

Terry Lavin

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2012, 05:35:53 PM »
Anton Ego:

"In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so."

Awesome reference!

And, referring to the posted topic, I have not designed a golf course.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 05:53:33 PM by Terry Lavin »
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2012, 07:26:33 PM »
Terry:

The best part comes later in the same passage -

"Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere."

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2012, 12:00:19 AM »
Sven
This is the part I liked most and the next sentence from your quote:

"But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new."

With support

“It is the new and different that is always most vulnerable to market research” - Malcolm Gladwell

Martin
I'm looking forward to hearing more about #2.
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Niall C

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2012, 08:03:16 AM »
Hmm, I tend to think another cork has been pulled over in Kirkcaldy  ;)

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 08:13:55 AM »
"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem: they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves."

Brendan Behan

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 06:46:20 PM »
Now THAT'S a quote...eunuchs, huh?
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Ron Farris

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Re: Design by the 2nd dullest man in golf
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 09:36:52 PM »
Buy the guy a joke book.
Take him to a place with pole dancing.
Dress him in an 80's leisure suit with bell bottoms.
Get his hair styled.
Expose him to drugs, sex and rock & roll.
Ask him to cut his fee in half and never show up at the site.
Hire the worst road contractor in town to build it.
Pitch a tent on the site, buy a gas grill, a canvas cot, a few bags of Doritos, some warm beer ......
......move in......and get the damn thing built while labor is cheap.