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Terry Lavin

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson NINE
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 11:09:35 AM »
Jim,

No worries.  I don't take offense at anything you or anybody else has said on these threads.  I'm not that sensitive and I would never interpret any comments as being designed to hurt the feelings of anybody who has lost a loved one in either of these conflicts.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Ben Sims

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson NINE
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 12:10:13 PM »
Terry,

I certainly empathize with your position.  I don't want to suspend the series, and I feel that not attributing the lessons to their rightful author is the wrong thing to do.  I do think there is valuable discussion to be had based on the lessons.  I lament how these threads always seem to involve military analogies.  I think it is obvious that the differences between military operations and building a golf course are vast and that fact really only needed pointing out one time, about seven threads ago.  The intent is see how the lessons might apply to golf courses and the people that build them.  Put bluntly, I feel that the threads have merit and are a welcome change of pace in comparison to our usual fare.  If you are still disturbed and offended, please PM me and I'll will consider suspending the threads.  Lord knows we don't need anyone getting legtimately offended over what was meant to be academic and unoffensive conversation.   

Terry Lavin

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson NINE
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 12:12:13 PM »
Ben,

I wouldn't ask you to suspend the threads.  Free country, free speech, after all.  I might lob in a retort here or there, but I've basically spoken my piece.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Ben Sims

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson NINE
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 01:02:39 PM »
The key is to foster an environment where the plan can keep getting better with everybody on the same page.  Sometimes the personalities make that impossible, but usually it has some chance of success.  Bill Coore and I have both tried to minimize the number of possible disagreements the same way that Pete Dye did -- by minimizing the contractor's role in the process, and filling some of those key positions with our own guys.  After that, it's just a matter of picking clients you think you can get along with, and helping them find a superintendent cut from the same cloth.

Tom,

Interesting point.  Easier said than done in getting everyone on the same sheet of music.  Lately I have had a run-in or two with subordinates that were either too shortsighted or too cynical to follow through on a project.  It's a simple question when I finally corner them, "What are your intentions?"  If they cow to that question, I usually reposition them somewhere that they are better suited.  If they stand up to the question and challenge my direction or find an issue worth debating, then I'll duke it out with them and we'll solve it.  Just the fact that they are willing to challenge me means they are both informed and passionate about our goal, even if they think I'm going about it the wrong way.  That is what I call "buying-in" and being a dynamic follower.  Those are the guys I reward and try to keep around. 

Then again, if being a dynamic follower evolves into them challenging everything because they think they can do it better, maybe it's time for them to move on. 

Either way, the most salient point of lesson 9 is that titles and job descriptions mean nothing in regards to final product quality.  It is only with good ideas and passion for the product that a great golf hole will be realized.  A marketable name and iron-clad hierarchy mean nothing when it comes to art. 

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson NINE
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 03:08:05 PM »
Thanks Ben
I was unaware of the history or prior requests on other lessons.

Either way, the most salient point of lesson 9 is that titles and job descriptions mean nothing in regards to final product quality. 

Unless it means something to the individual doing the work - some people work better with a title or description.
Tom's is a good example of having several talented supporters with different needs - some want a title, some want to work in China.
It is hard to balance if he is trying to get the most out of each part.

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

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