[Nick Asbrock]

Anyone play these courses and have thoughts on their architectural merit? AVCC recently went from private to public, Spring Valley Lake still private? Thanks

Apple Valley CC (www.applevalleycountryclub.com)
Spring Valley Lake CC (www.clubcorp.com/Clubs/Spring-Valley-Lake-Country-Club)

[Jon Spaulding]

AVCC is a decent golf course.

I would say no to architectural merit, even though some have speculated as to WP Bell origins. The bunkering and general scheme reeks of Francis.

Have not played Spring Valley. I "don't travel for Trent", and that means any distance.

[Tim Leahy]

Apple Valley was featured in a Challenge Golf match in an old black and white series on the Golf Channel.
I have seen the course but not played it. It looked interesting with some changes in elevation. The Roy Rogers Museum is right down the street. You can see a stuffed Trigger there!

[Lynn_Shackelford]

AVCC is a decent golf course.

I would say no to architectural merit, even though some have speculated as to WP Bell origins. The bunkering and general scheme reeks of Francis.

Have not played Spring Valley. I "don't travel for Trent", and that means any distance.

Once I told a member that William P. Bell died in 1953 and that AVCC, which opened in 1954, sure looks like a William F. Bell type course.  It looks like they are now admitting that it is WFB.

Surprised on the one hand that they would go public, but it is a struggling area.  I was told today that the number of Southern California established handicaps is down 4% from a year ago.  Golf has not yet bottomed out in SoCal.

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