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Mark Saltzman

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All yardages from the Rattlesnake Tees (back tee) - CR 73.4 / SL 152

Hole 1: Par 5, 607 Yards

Playing 245 feet downhill just in front of the clubhouse, this is one scary tee shot.  The fairway runs out at 310 yards and that is easily reachable.  The clever play is to lay-up short of the fairway narrowing area to leave a simple lay-up second shot.  Truthfully, most (including myself) are aiming to have the ball just end up somewhere between the left trees and the right trees.

Tee





Approach



Green





Hole 2 - Par 4, 458 Yards

A narrow, very intimidating tee shot that plays easier than it looks.  The fairway only gets really narrow 280+ yards from the tee.  Most tee shots will land in the wider portion of the fairway and the contours of the fairway will funnel shots missed a little left or right to the middle.  




« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 04:35:01 PM by Mark Saltzman »

Derek Dirksen

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Thanks for the photos.  I have been curious to see what this course is like.  My first thoughts are: why didn't they open up the view from the 1st tee.  Does the view get better as you move up in tees?  Can only see half the fairway.  Seems like a shame!

Mark Saltzman

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Thanks for the photos.  I have been curious to see what this course is like.  My first thoughts are: why didn't they open up the view from the 1st tee.  Does the view get better as you move up in tees?  Can only see half the fairway.  Seems like a shame!

Derek,

I didn't really get a look from any of the other sets of tees, but I suspect you would get a better view since they are a little further left than the tees I played.

One of the obvious themes of the golf course is that the view from the Rattlesnake tees is more blind and less defined than from any of the forward sets.  While the angle from the tips is generally slightly more difficult, visually the tips are much more intimidating.  I will post a few examples of this (holes 4, 7, 13, 16 come to mind).

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 3: Par 4, 432 Yards

Another intimidating, semi-blind tee shot.  Playing into the wind, the fairway bunkers are a very long way away and the landing area is blind from the tee.  From the shape of the hole, it appears that the best angle is from the right, but it is not until you actually get down to the fairway that one sees how important not being left is.  There is a large group of trees short of the green that make any approach from the left rough all but impossible.








Hole 4: Par 5, 581 Yards

Another tee shot where one can see almost nothing.  Get out your yardage book.  Bunker is 320 yards from the tee.  OK, let's aim at that.  



The view from one set of tees forward is very, very different.



What is clear after playing the hole only once, is that despite the narrowness, one must be sure to place the tee shot accurately on the left side of the fairway.  Not pictured is a large tree that stymies any tee shot hit too short or too far to the right.

This photo is taken from about 250 yards out and would be an absolutely perfect drive down the left side of the fairway and about 5 yards short of the bunker.  From this side of the fairway, the player has three options: 1) Go for it; 2) lay-up short of the first bunker on the right, leaving a clear shot between the trees; 3; get it past the little mound on the right, just short of the end of the fairway.  From the right side of the fairway there is but one choice: hope you don't hit the tree that's in your way!



« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 08:59:58 AM by Mark Saltzman »

michael damico

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live out in CO; haven't played an Engh, but met him and his associates.

This place looks like pretty tight, did it feel that way when playing?
"without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible"
                                                                -fz

Kalen Braley

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Mark,

Thanks for those pictures, brings back some good memories.  

The 1st 3 holes are indeed a really tough opening stretch to the course and from memory it plays as tight as it looks in those picture.

The round really gets going on that par 5 4th hole...although it another tough tee shot, the green placement and the routing to get home was really neat.  Different from anything else I've seen.  There are so many different ways to play that hole from 250 in as Mark has spelled out.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 01:37:14 PM by Kalen Braley »

Mark Saltzman

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live out in CO; haven't played an Engh, but met him and his associates.

This place looks like pretty tight, did it feel that way when playing?

Michael,

From the tee, the holes/tee shots felt very, very tight.  When you get to the fairways you see they actually only play tight (if that makes any sense).  From the tee it looks like there is zero room to miss.  In the fairway you realize that while the holes are narrow, they have containment sloping (I might be making this term up) that allows misses that are a bit left or right to stay in play and even perhaps kick into the fairway.  Moderate misses left and right, however, are in big trouble..

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 5: Par 3, 188 Yards

The first of back-to-back par 3s.  Most will be happy to hit the green on this nerve-wracking par 3, but the green is cleverly split in three sections.  A ball on the green but in a different section than the pin is almost a guaranteed three putt (my putt from the back of the green almost went off the front edge).








Hole 6: Par 3, 202 Yards

No pictures from the tee, but from the tips the view of the green is very obscured.  There are two general teeing areas: from the left, where one plays a semi-blind but flat tee shot to the green; and from the right where the hole plays shorter, but uphill, over the series of bunkers on the right and at a difficult angle given the shape of the green.

The pin on the day I played it was in a very cool little bowl at the back of the green that could be reached either by running a shot up the middle of the green or using the embankment long of the pin to bring it back.




Hole 7: Par 4, 400 Yards

Another hole where the view from the tips gives only a glimpse of fairway, but the view from the one ups is very clear.  Being on the left side of the fairway is very important for a right or back-right pin, but for the pin I played, anything in the fairway works fine.

The green (as always, not done justice by pictures) is one of the coolest I have seen.  There are so many undulations and they are so severe that one could spend hours putting on that green and not get bored.








Mark Saltzman

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Hole 8: Par 4, 380 Yards

Along with number 18 at Sanctuary, one of the most dramatically uphill holes I have ever played.  At about 230 yards from the tee, there is an outcropping of rock/fescue that impact play.  It is 250 yards over the outcropping and given the uphill nature of the hole, few players will be able to make  this carry (though it should be noted that the one up tees are about 60 yards shorter on this hole making the carry doable for many players).




Laying up to the outcropping is fine, but one should take care to be on the left side of the fairway - failing to do so leaves this view:



And a view from the left:




The fun isn't over once  you find the fairway, this is one unbelievable green!  Relatively flat up top, but with a severe slope at the front (I don't know what to call it - maybe a false front?).  I think you could actually get a pin at the front there, which would be a lot of fun.






Sean Leary

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Looks a lot like Black Rock in Idaho.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Sanctuary Golf Course, Colorado (Photos) - Jim Engh - Hole 7 Posted
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 08:57:21 PM »
Hole 9: Par 4, 329 Yards




Hole 10: Par 3, 200 Yards






Hole 11: Par 5, 575 Yards

Sorry for the lack of pictures on the last three holes, I was playing through a couple of foursomes and didn't have time to get great pictures.

11 was a really interesting hole that I certainly didn't play 'right' on my one go at it.  Tee shot has a large bunker on left that must be laid up to or otherwise avoided.  I thought I hit a perfect tee shot and was dead behind a large tree.  That hole requires some additional play to get right.


Hole 12: Par 4, 400 Yards

Another tee shot that is basically blind.  Get out the Skycaddie and check the yardage to those visible slices of fairway.  This hole is probably easier on repeated plays as there is actually plenty of room in the fairway and only a slight advantage to challenging the carry on the right.

The approach is unusual, over a series of small (and a couple not so small) trees.  You are kind of at the mercy of the golfing gods as to whether or not a tree will block your view of the pin/green.






Mark Saltzman

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Hole 13: Par 4, 393 Yards

Another visually intimidating tee shot, that is much less intimidating from one tee up.  From the tee all that can be seen is a bit of fairway and a bunker.  There is actually a lot of room to miss to the right.  The pin location really dictates how aggressive one need be with the shot as a back right pin really must be attacked from the left with a short iron.  A left pin can be challenged from anywhere.

Despite its length, this hole at Denver elevation and with the large drop from the tee, could likely be reached in one by some.  Longer hitters must take care not to hit their tee shots through the fairway into the water.










Hole 14: Par 3, 173 Yards

Unlike many holes with waterfalls, this one is actually a very good golf hole.  While most will just try to avoid the water, this uniquely shaped green has many severe internal contours.  Merely hitting the green in regulation in no way guarantees a par.  I especially liked that the back right pin (pictured), while a long way from the water, is arguably the second most difficult pin location on the green (left pin is probably the hardest).  The pin sits on a very small plateau that can only be reached with a perfectly struck shot.  Any shot to the middle of the green leaves a difficult two-putt.









Hole 15: Par 5, 613 Yards

Much like the other par 5s at Sanctuary a dramatic downhill tee shot on this par 5.  It's about 330 yards to the bunkers straightaway, but if possible, one really wants to get it out there over 300 yards to get a clear view for the second shot.  Otherwise, one is left with an awkward semi-blind lay-up shot that cuts over the edge of a hill.

Again, pin location dictates the ideal lay-up location.  A right pin is difficult to attack as it is difficult to lay-up in the right side of the fairway.

Another very fun green, those ridges are very substantial!








« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 10:02:13 AM by Mark Saltzman »

Andy Troeger

Its interesting--we didn't play the back tees and I definitely don't recall all the blindness from the up tees (which seems right from Mark's comments). The course from the tips isn't especially long--maybe 7,000 yards at altitude. I also think the visual intimidation makes it look and feel narrow when in reality most holes have a reasonable amount of room. The first few holes are probably the toughest driving holes--that first one is really intimidating! Driver is seldom required though if you want to throttle back.

Just like Rock Creek, this course looks better in August when all the natural areas have browned out. Provides a nice visual contrast.

Sean,
I think Black Rock is more refined than Sanctuary. I think there are more heroic shot opportunities as well with the short par fives that are definite go-for-it opportunities for the long hitter. I also think the greens are bolder--although the 8th at Sanctuary is certainly an exception to that! Generally I would say that most golfers are going to have similar reactions to both courses, but personally I like Black Rock better.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 11:28:33 PM by Andy Troeger »

Mark Saltzman

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Hole 16: Par 4, 317 Yards

This hole may be driveable for some (though I doubt it) as it plays substantially uphill.  The back two sets of tees are basically the same length, but the first two pictures give an idea of the difference in view from the two sets of tees.

Challenging the left side off the tee rewards the player with the clearest view of the pin and an approach that does not need to carry the army of bunkers short right of the green.

Curiously, this is one of the simplest and flattest greens on the course.  Given that the player will be coming in with nothing more than wedge, I am not sure why this green was designed in this manner.








Mark Saltzman

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Hole 17: Par 4, 366 Yards

Despite the narrow appearance, there is lots of room off the tee, though only a tee shot down the left will yield an easy approach.

The hole is largely defined by two trees: one 100 or so yards from the green off the right side of the fairway (the one surrounded by rocks) and the one about one yard of the green.  A tee shot down the right will have an obscured view of the green and will have to be hit over the first tree.  If the pin is anywhere on the right half of the green, then a tee shot down the right not only will have to deal with the first tree, but also will be largely blocked out by the second tree.

Although the picture makes it look as though the tree by the green is right of the green, I can assure you that much of the right side of the green is blocked by the tree, unless a tee shot is placed perfectly down the left side of the fairway.








Hole 18: Par 4, 438 Yards

Even at elevation, this dramatically uphill finisher is a beast of a hole.  The tee shot is narrow, though somewhat pedestrian compared to many of the other tee shots at Sanctuary.  There is, however, a lot of pressure on this final tee shot because a poorly hit tee ball will leave an all but impossible long, uphill approach to the green.

The green is not at all visible from the DZ and pins on the left are largely obscured by a mound in front of the green.  18 can never play easy, but there are a couple of really difficult pin positions.  Anything on the left (as pictured) and a pin back right.