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Scott Warren

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Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation?
« on: May 07, 2010, 02:36:43 AM »
I played out at Royal Mid-Surrey yesterday evening and despite almost everything I had heard being dismissive or critical, I really enjoyed it.

The club has 36 holes - Inner and Outer - designed by JH Taylor on land that is almost dead flat.

The Outer is the main course, originally designed as the championship course, while the Inner was designed for those seeking a bit less challenge from their round. I played a composite called the Taylor Course - which combines the front nine of the Outer and a predominantly Inner Course back nine.

Among the notable things about Royal Mid-Surrey is that it was the first course where Alpinisation was used to add interest and challenge to a very flat piece of land.

The humps and hollows are said to have been softened somewhat through the years, but they remain dramatic in many places and add good interest to many holes, guarding the ideal driving zones and causing headaches around the greens, where they can block the way and also cannon balls away from the green if an approach lands on the wrong side of the apex.

It looks as far from natural as I've seen on a golf course, but it works. I think the secret is in the boldness of the features. There's nothing half-hearted about their size or shape, which gives them the personality they need to assert themselves strategically and aesthetically.

Likewise, there is a lot of big, bold bunkering that is able to dominate several holes because the flat land is not screaming for attention itself. Great examples come at the 5th and 6th on the Outer course.

Other bunkering strategies are similar to those employed by Tom Simpson to add interest to New Zealand GC's flat site: bunkers short of greens that distort your distance perception, bunkers that appear from a distance to be much smaller than they are and bunkers raised above the surrounding land to create blind areas.

It also boasts some very sandy soil and was bone dry and firm underfoot despite recent heavy rainfall, defying its unkind nickname of "Royal Mud Slurry", alluding to the suggestion it is always damp.

The club adjoins the River Thames and Kew Gardens less than half an hour by tube from the centre of London, with a massive clubhouse that bucks the trend of modern clubhouses by actually being a very appealing-looking building that, with its ample glass, appears to give a subtle nod to the wonderful greenhouses over the fence in the famous botanical gardens.

The terrain almost certainly ensured Taylor's two courses wouldn't be world class, but the inventiveness of his grass hazards combined with the bold bunkering makes Mid-Surrey a course worth playing for anyone interested in seeing how to get plenty of good golf out of a property not blessed with ample (perhaps even any) undulation.

I didn't take a full set of pics because I was playing a match and racing the approaching darkness, but here are some photos:

An absolute cavern of a trap at the 6th (Outer).


A moat bunkler that fronts the green of the par three 5th (Outer), also snaking around the sides.


An idea of the severity of the mounds. What you can't see is the hollows that are about half as deep as the mounds are tall.




Massive flanking bunkers and a sneaky centreline trap that skews your depth perception.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 04:33:14 PM by Scott Warren »

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 03:28:30 AM »
Nice review Scott...

Those sand faced bunkers look similar to the ones at Little Aston which was also a Taylor course... Did Taylor have a "style" or are these bunkers just reflective of the age?... I think Willie Park Jnr has some similar looking ones from the turn of the century...

You mention New Zealand - I hope to make it there later this month, mainly because I want to see the bunkering...

Sean_A

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2010, 04:07:33 AM »
Scott

Minus the mounding and adding much more elevation change, Little Aston looks very similar to R M-S.  Are there a handful of greens running front to back?  Can anybody play the composite course? 

Ally

I have been curious if Taylor ever had a hand in Little Aston.  In fact, it would be interesting to know who built the "new" holes not on Little Aston Park land.  I think Vardon's routing is still in place except for these new holes.  I also don't know what Colt did (the new holes don't feel very Coltish) - he was meant to have softened the course a bit.

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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2010, 04:10:28 AM »
Scott

Minus the mounding and adding much more elevation change, Little Aston looks very similar to R M-S.  Are there a handful of greens running front to back?  Can anybody play the composite course? 

Ally

I have been curious if Taylor ever had a hand in Little Aston.  In fact, it would be interesting to know who built the "new" holes not on Little Aston Park land.  I think Vardon's routing is still in place except for these new holes.  I also don't know what Colt did (the new holes don't feel very Coltish) - he was meant to have softened the course a bit.

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Sean, I do apologise... I was mixing up my Vardon's and my Taylor's... Those guys just won too many Opens...

Still, the bunker style does seem reminiscent of an age I think... I really loved the bunkers at Little Aston...

Scott Warren

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 04:17:20 AM »
Sean,

The Taylor composite course is currently in play as they have re-built 8 greens on the Inner course. Usually you can only play Inner or Outer, I believe.

There are a lot of grade level greens running on from the fairway, but only a couple ran front-to-back.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 06:44:09 AM »
I gather that the members have had to pay through the nose recently what with the clubhouse fire and having to rebuild their greens. I've played there quite a few times and it is remarkable how easy it is to drop shots by being out of position. The greens are cleverly defended.

TEPaul

Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2010, 09:46:51 AM »
Scott:

It seems to be something of an historical question if J.H. Taylor really was the one to come up with the concept of alpinization at Royal Mid-Surrey, as he claimed to have had.

Some feel Tillinghast may've beaten him to the punch on that over here, since Taylor may not have been aware of it since he was not over here often.

This may be one of those historical curiosities somewhat like the invention of the jet engine. Apparently the Germans and the Italians came up with the invention of the jet engine simultaneously but completely unbeknownst to one another.

I know this type of thing quite well actually because I invented the Hula Hoop, the Twist, the personal computer, the Internet and the cell phone, and now my only problem is to prove that those who think they invented those things really didn't. I'm considering hiring Tom MacWood to help me prove it!   ;)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 09:54:10 AM by TEPaul »

Scott Warren

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2010, 09:52:32 AM »
Tom, do you know of Tillie ever working with a greenkeeper/super named Peter Lees?

This from the RMS website.


Mid-Surrey - so named because it was on the edge of both Middlesex and Surrey - was founded on St Crispin's Day, October 24 in 1892. At that time the whole stretch of land was so flat that a writer on The Field described the course as having 'an insufficiency of undulations' while the Times correspondent Bernard Darwin was outspoken in using the phrase 'flat as a pancake'.

It was the club's first famous professional J. H. Taylor - five times winner of the Open - who began making the Outer course more interesting. He and the greenkeeper Peter Lees, who had been lured from the Royal Burgess club in Edinburgh, led about 100 men recruited from the ranks of unemployed to create the 'humps and hollows' which gave the course its distinctive character.

Mountains of earth were dug out and built up and the professional claimed that many visitors came vast distances to study this aspect of golf course architecture and one distinguished visitor remarked that he could imagine himself on a Scottish links looking towards a backdrop of dunes. Lees left in 1915 for America where he laid out and maintained five courses in New York.

TEPaul

Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2010, 10:01:01 AM »
Scott:

I believe that Tillie may've done this kind of thing over here before Peter Lees ever came to this country. For more specific info on this subject Phil Young would probably be your best man.

These types of questions are best submitted to a "timeline" analysis, if you know what I mean. In other words, Tillie could not have gotten the idea from Lees if he did this kind of thing before he ever met Lees, could he? Or he couldn't have gotten the idea from Mid-Surrey if he did alpinization over here before Mid-Surrey did it over there, could he?

Scott Warren

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 10:15:59 AM »
I realised that's what you meant. I just wondered if perhaps Lees was the link between Taylor and Tillie both using the same "left field" idea seemingly independent on one another.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 11:35:25 AM »
Is the Royal Oak still standing?

I last played Royal Mid Surrey 30 years ago.  I remember a very pleasant round because the company and conversation was so good; the golf course itself was sort of like wallpaper.  Pleasant, inobtrusive, unmemorable.  I also remember the clubhouse having a kind of little barroom that was one of the most pleasant I had seen anywhere in British golf.

Dan Moore

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 04:08:17 PM »
Scott,  Thank you for another intriguing tour.  When was Mid-Surrey built? 

I have seen similar mounding features on some of the oldest Chicago area courses that were built by the Foulis brothers and Bendelow. 
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 04:12:16 PM »
I posted this William Evans 1913 Public Ledger article years ago on alpinization.  He writes it was first tried at Berkhamstead.




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Scott Warren

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 04:32:50 PM »
Scott,  Thank you for another intriguing tour.  When was Mid-Surrey built? 

I have seen similar mounding features on some of the oldest Chicago area courses that were built by the Foulis brothers and Bendelow. 

The website is somewhat vague. It says the club was founded in 1892 on a dead flat site, then mentions Taylor and Lees undertaking the alpinisation program, then says Lees moved to the US in 1915, so we are left with 1892-1915 as the window that the alpinisation took place.


Scott Warren

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2010, 04:34:04 PM »
I threw a question mark into the thread title. It probably should have had one from the start.

Sean_A

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation?
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2010, 07:03:18 PM »
I would also chuck Huntercombe into the ring.  It was built in 1901(?) and has the curious conical mounds.  Whether or not Park Jr built them originally I can't say, but some of the hollows have this weird shell like framing which matches the conical mounds.  My bet is they are original Park Jr work.

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Dan Moore

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation?
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2010, 10:44:07 PM »
From Ravisloe in Chicago.  My guess is these were part of the original shaping by James Foulis from when the course opened in 1902.  Thery are now located in the 2nd fairway but would have been near the first green on the original routing. 

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Paul_Turner

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Re: Royal Mid-Surrey - the birthplace of alpinisation?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2010, 12:23:33 PM »
Very interesting about Berkhamsted.  I know it well and it does have a lot of mounding and no sand bunkers.  I don't think it has had a photo essay here?

Combined with a round at nearby Ashridge and you have a wonderful days golf:  Ashridge's 18th:

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