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PThomas

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"Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« on: March 24, 2009, 04:44:22 PM »
Golf Inc. magazine said this...anyone know about the work done out there?
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TX Golf

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 04:58:35 PM »
Is this for 2008??

PThomas

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 05:05:30 PM »
yes!
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Joel_Stewart

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 05:15:47 PM »
I guess Cal Club didn't qualify?

TX Golf

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 05:20:10 PM »
Joel,

Thats why I was asking if it was 2008.... if you read the article it wasn't a runner up either. Maybe 2009 will be the year.

Robert

John_McMillan

Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 09:12:20 PM »
Browsing the Golf, Inc article, by their criteria 50% of the score is how well the architect achieved the owner's vision. 

Is it too cynical to ask if the award would be more meaningful if the other 50% of the score was whether or not the owner's vision was worth achieving?

Roger Wolfe

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 09:18:40 PM »
Browsing the Golf, Inc article, by their criteria 50% of the score is how well the architect achieved the owner's vision. 

Is it too cynical to ask if the award would be more meaningful if the other 50% of the score was whether or not the owner's vision was worth achieving?

I hope that hole in the picture is a par 3.  If its a par 4... ack!

tlavin

Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 11:02:36 AM »
Browsing the Golf, Inc article, by their criteria 50% of the score is how well the architect achieved the owner's vision. 

Is it too cynical to ask if the award would be more meaningful if the other 50% of the score was whether or not the owner's vision was worth achieving?

I hope that hole in the picture is a par 3.  If its a par 4... ack!

I just looked at the club's website and the before and after hole is a very short par 4, which makes sense when you look at the bunker positions short of the hole.  From the back tees, the hole is 300 yards and from the member's tees, it's just over 250 yards.  The bunkers are there to put evil thoughts in the heads of the golfer.  It's not #10 at Riviera and it's not George Thomas, but it looks like an interesting and strategic short hole.

Dan Moore

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »
I see Cog Hill is a runner up in the public category, a little odd since it hasn't reopened yet and Olympia Fields South a finalist in the private category.

Wonder if OF South would have fared better if the category was restoration rather than renovation. 
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Tim Nugent

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2009, 02:14:30 PM »
Looks like an improvement to me. Art even got the trees greener! ;D
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Kalen Braley

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 09:41:27 AM »
Did anyone take a look at what they did at Las Colinas?  Very sweet!!

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/cypress/golfinc0309/index.php?startid=26#/28

David Stamm

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 09:59:21 AM »
Is there a seperate category for "Restoration" vs "Renovation"?
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Tim Nugent

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 10:23:48 AM »
There are too many "RE's"  renovation, restoration, remodle,redo etc.

The problem is where do you fraw the line. For example:

take Cog Hill #4 - I picked this because the link to Rees's masterplan is given above.  What is it? Most of the bunkers and all the tees are shown to be "Rebuilt" some bunkers are moved up or into the fairway, some new tees are added, some greens are pushed back but exhibit roughly the same form/bunkering.  A new pond and casacading stream are added.

Some would say it is a renovation because some ofthe features are moved/added.  But an aurguement could be that enough has changed that it is a remodel.  Others could say it's a restoration because Rees is "recapturing lost pin placements and just adjusting the hazards to reflect how the course was originally setup to play in light of the equipment in use at the time of design.

Naperville CC, it is my understanding blew up the old course and basically built a new course in the old corridors.  SHould this be a renovation or new construction? 

I guess I have a hard time wrapping my head around just what a "renovation" really is.

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David Stamm

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2009, 10:32:19 AM »
Who originally did Naperville?
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K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: "Top renovation" of the year (private): Naperville CC
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2009, 10:36:17 AM »
Who originally did Naperville?

I think it was a Bendelow originally (?)

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