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WilliamWang

Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« on: June 06, 2002, 10:23:45 AM »
i don't think a pete dye course has hosted the U.S. Open (although Black Wolf did host the U.S. Women's Open).

what pete dye design do you think will be the first?  or is it just not likely that one of dye's courses would host the Open.

crooked stick hosted a PGA Championship, but what other candidates are out there?
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Chris_Clouser

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2002, 10:31:27 AM »
Crooked Stick should not hold a US Open.  No way no how.

I do think some of his courses could though.  I've played at US Open courses (Medinah and Oakland Hills) and Crooked Stick is a noticably lower tier course than those.  It is a good venue for the PGA in my mind though.  Blackwolf Run or Whistling Straits maybe?  Bulle Rock gets some pub on here as a possible venue from time to time.  Oak Tree in Edmond, Oklahoma could be a possibility eventually.  Probably my favorite would be to see one at The Golf Club or The Honors Course, but those will never happen.
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CHrisB

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2002, 10:36:31 AM »
I wonder if Pete Dye's style is just too far "out there" for the USGA; I have a tough time imagining a U.S. Open on a Dye course.  But I believe Oak Tree also hosted the PGA, so there's a candidate.  TPC Sawgrass already hosts the Players, but might be his best tournament test.  How about Pete Dye GC?  What a test and a great finishing hole.

Come to think of it, has the U.S. Open been played at any course built after WW2?
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ChipOat

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2002, 10:45:19 AM »
I believe the US Am was at Oak Tree, as well.  Do the folks for whom Dye builds courses leave enough ground for the "infrastructure" (ex-Sawgrass)?

Chris:

Both Hazeltine and Champions were built in the '50s; not sure about Bellerive.  May be others but my reference book is elsewhere.
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WilliamWang

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2002, 10:54:09 AM »
champions and bellerive were both founded in 1959.

hazeltine is 1962.  dates are from golfcourse.com, not from C&W.
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2002, 02:20:50 PM »
I would have to imagine that Whistling Straits and the Ocean Course would be two favourites.  Not sure the others would be interested.

Both of those courses have plenty of length, so maybe we will just have to wait until the others become obsolete.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2002, 03:05:44 PM »
i agree with ben..i can't imagine anyone not wanting to see the pro's play this course in a major...but the pro's might not like the fact that if the wind blows they could make fools of themselves.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2002, 03:07:48 PM »
damn in an idiot..i forgot to right down the name of the course...well it's the ocean course..mind you WS is essentially the same deal(death by the shore)
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2002, 03:08:42 PM »
hmm..maybe i should start checking my spelling and grammar :o
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Willie_Dow (Guest)

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2002, 06:09:47 PM »
My thought is the weather at this time of year?  The courses should be at their top condition for play.  This should be a consideration by the commitee, as to location.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2002, 06:44:20 PM »
Didn't the PGA give W.S. the 2004 PGA on short notice because the course was on the short list for the 2005 Open?
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Craig Rokke

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2002, 06:55:37 PM »
If they could host it, I'd love to see one at The Ocean Course.

Besides, any architect with the savvy to put cart paths on one side of the tee box ,because women tend to dislike an audience looking at their tushes when they tee up, deserves
an Open.
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Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2002, 07:43:34 AM »
Here's a copy of a post I made a while back on the subject...:

We've spoken to some USGA people and they say that at Pinehurst, they had 40,000 people.  At Oakmont, they had 24,000 people.  They think that 30,000 is ideal.  We had 25,000 at the Ryder Cup with limited grand stands.  Put a few more out and we could handle the crowds.  Cougar Island (owned by Kiawah Development Partners-the island's real estate company) is just across the entrance from The Ocean Course with hundreds of acres that could be prepared for 1) hospitality tents and 2) additional parking (with KDP cooperation).  We also have the old Bagger Vance hole for hospitality tenting.  During the Ryder Cup, we had off-island parking with buses bringing people in.  Our new 255 room luxury hotel near Turtle Point will be completed in Feburary of 2004.  The Charleston Metro area has over 16,500 lodging rooms in addition to ours.  All in all, we think we have the logistics to hold such an event.

And, when we redo the clubhouse out there in a couple of years, we're looking into the possibility of having some small bungelows out there near the 1st tee where people can stay.  I'm sure, if we ever have The Open, they'd be used for hospitality...
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Jamie_Duffner

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2002, 08:25:23 AM »
Crooked Stick also hosted a Women's US Oepn, really bailed the USGA out of a jam.  Crooked Stick was not happy when they got passed over for the 03 mens open.  

Parking - heck they're parking people 15 miles away at Jones Beach for Bethpage and at Shinnecock it's at least 15 miles from West Hampton airport.  Parking is not an issue when you can bus poeple in form just about anywhere.

Kiawah could be interesting, but it could also be very hot.
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ChipOat

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2002, 08:32:16 AM »
chrisB and William Wang

According to the current issue of Golf Journal, Northwood (1952 - Julius Boros'first win) "was just 4 years old when it hosted the U.S. Open".
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Will W

Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2002, 08:39:03 AM »
i wonder what in the decision making process lent to such young courses hosting the u.s. open.

northwood, champions, bellerive and hazeltine.  and of those, only hazeltine has hosted another open.  did the usga receive criticism for neglecting the mainline classic courses?

i agree the ocean course would be fantastic.  and WS too.  perhaps the pete dye club or the golf club near columbus.
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BCrosby

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2002, 08:44:03 AM »
The Atlanta Athletic Club was also very new when Jerry Pate won there in the mid-70's.  I'd guess 4 or 5 years old.

Like Northwood, however, the USGA ain't ever going back.

Bob
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Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2002, 09:11:43 AM »
Matt, I believe you are right about the PGA having pre-empted the USGA on Whistling. Isn't it amazing how the buzz on WS died down after the Bandon complex opened?

Kiawah would be a fantastic site and it would be wonderful to see the USGA recognize Dye's contribution to architecture while he is still around.

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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Pete Dye and the U.S. Open (Men's)
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2002, 09:16:38 AM »
Kiawah would not be a whole lot hotter than Southern Hills, would it?  At least they would have the ocean breeze.

Pete Dye Golf Club might have some infrastructure problems, from a corporate and fan side.

Whistling Straits would be great as well and they have Milwaukee and Green Bay to draw from as well.

Here is to hoping.
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