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Carl Nichols

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Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« on: October 28, 2008, 03:59:01 PM »
Does anyone know whether any public library has a copy of the Confidential Guide?  What about a university library?  Thx,
Carl

Jonathan McCord

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 04:01:45 PM »
The Library of Congress as at least one copy, maybe two.
"Read it, Roll it, Hole it."

Phil McDade

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 04:07:46 PM »
Cribbed from an earlier thread on this, circa Feb. 2007 (credit to poster Pat Craig):

Thanks to a good tip in this thread, earlier today I got in touch with the Library of Congress. And through email someone there sent me a list of every library in the United States that currently has the Confidential Guide in stock. Interestingly enough my hometown is one of them.

Hopefully this could help a few people get out and at least read through the book once or twice!

Here is the list;

All Libraries that Own Item: "The confidential guide to..."Location
                   Library  Code

US,DC  LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC

US,AL BIRMINGHAM-JEFFERSON LIBR ABJ

US,AL UNIV OF N ALABAMA ANO

US,CA ALIBRIS ALBRS

US,CA AMATEUR ATHLETIC FOUND OF LA OLY

US,CA CARLSBAD CITY LIBR CCP

US,CA SANTA BARBARA PUB LIBR JRW

US,CA SANTA CLARA CITY LIBR JRZ

US,CA SANTA CLARA CNTY FREE LIBR JRY

US,CA THOUSAND OAKS PUB LIBR JTV

US,CO JEFFERSON CNTY PUB LIBR QQ3

US,CO THREE RIVERS LIBR SYST COG

US,IL GLEN ELLYN PUB LIBR JCW

US,IL GLENVIEW PUB LIBR FM0

US,IL MORRIS AREA PUB LIBR DIST OV4

US,IL SCHAUMBURG TOWNSHIP DIST LIBR GO9

US,IL UNIV OF CHICAGO CGU

US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF

US,IN INDIANAPOLIS-MARION CNTY PUB LIBR IMD

US,KY BLUEGRASS COMMUN & TECH COL KUT

US,KY LAUREL CNTY PUB LIBR KI2

US,MI MICHIGAN STATE UNIV EEM

US,MI WILLARD LIBR EEW

US,MO NORTHWEST MISSOURI STATE UNIV MNW

US,MO SPORTING NEWS PUBLISHING CO S6Q

US,NC BAKER & TAYLOR INC TECH SERV & PROD DEV BTCTA

US,NC NEW HANOVER CNTY PUB LIBR HQD

US,NV WASHOE CNTY LIBR SYST NUW

US,NY BUFFALO & ERIE CNTY PUB LIBR VHB

US,NY QUEENS BOROUGH PUB LIBR ZQP

US,NY SUNY COL OF TECH AT DELHI XDM

US,NY US MERCHANT MARINE ACAD VYM

US,OH BAKER & TAYLOR BAKER

US,OH CLEVELAND PUB LIBR CLE

US,OH COLUMBUS METROP LIBR OCO

US,OH OHIO STATE UNIV, THE OSU

US,OH TOLEDO-LUCAS CNTY PUB LIBR TLM

US,OH WESTERVILLE PUB LIBR OWL

US,OR MULTNOMAH CNTY LIBR ORX

US,PA OIL CREEK DIST LIBR CTR PCQ

US,PA PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIV UPM

US,PA SLIPPERY ROCK UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA SRS

US,SC COASTAL CAROLINA UNIV, KIMBEL LIBR ZKJ

US,TX TEXAS A&M UNIV TXA

US,WA SEATTLE PUB LIBR UOK

US,WV KANAWHA CNTY PUB LIBR WVK

CA,ON BIBLIOCENTRE B9B

Hong Kong CHINESE UNIV OF HONG KONG CVU

United Kingdom BRITISH LIBR UKM

United Kingdom CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD

United Kingdom UNIV OF OXFORD EQO
Record for Item: "The confidential guide to..."     The confidential
                   guide to golf courses /

                   Tom Doak
                   1996 English  Book iv, 361 p. : col. ill., col.
                   maps ; 29 cm. Chelsea, MI : Sleeping Bear Press, ;
ISBN: 1886947090

Availability:      FirstSearch indicates your institution owns the
                   item. Libraries worldwide that own item: 51

Carl Nichols

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 04:10:42 PM »
Thanks Phil. 

PCCraig

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 04:14:26 PM »
Ironically enough, every time I had checked for the Confidential Guide at my local library, it wasn't available. When I asked a librarian to check on it, he said that it was listed as "in stock" but we couldn't find it in the actual library.

Leading us to believe someone stole it.  >:(

Of course you can always have the book sent on loan from the Library of Congress.
H.P.S.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 05:24:23 PM »
I got one ordered through my local (UK) library ,within one week .

John Moore II

Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 07:20:22 PM »
Pat--I would suspect that experience may be a common one. That would be one thing I would worry about in a public library. In a university library they are generally more secure. Shame things like this happen, but with those books valued at $500+ in many cases, people are willing to risk it.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 07:24:19 PM »
Pat--I would suspect that experience may be a common one. That would be one thing I would worry about in a public library. In a university library they are generally more secure. Shame things like this happen, but with those books valued at $500+ in many cases, people are willing to risk it.

Santa Barbara once had two copies and one was sold on ebay.  I called the library during the sale and they decided not to take action.  They have put the second copy in a more secure location which leaves my only hope that a member of this site was not the purchaser.

I also recently stopped a reputable San Francisco auction house from selling a Xeroxed copy.

Chuck Brown

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 08:51:56 PM »
I saw a copy at my local library, and I think I'd rather not give the library's name until I am certain they know its value and can protect it. ;)

Jack Davis

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 03:44:08 PM »
I just spent time looking at Doak's Confidential Guide at the Penn State Library. This was my first time actually seeing the book in person. The book was a lot bigger than I expected. I was also very happy to see PSU protecting this important and rare book. They house it in a special rare books collection. In order to look at it, I had to check all my belongings in a locker room, have a specialist retrieve it from a locked room and view it in a special reading room. They do not allow the books to leave this room.

I know it has been spoken about before, but I feel that many of the courses need to be looked at or rated again. Courses such as Plainfield, Oakmont, or Yeaman's Hall have undergone significant restorations that deserve another look.

Overall I was extremely impressed with the book and the candid remarks by Tom. A great resource for all.
Jack Davis, PGA
Essex County Club

John Moore II

Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 03:58:09 PM »
Jack--welcome to the site. Mr. Doak has noted that he thinks some of the courses could perhaps be re-graded, as well. But he has noted on here that he grew tired of having to defend his ratings. Therefore, we will likely not see a revision. But being new, you would not have known this. Again, welcome to the site.

Criss Titschinger

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2008, 08:23:47 PM »
Just got a copy through inter-library loan here in Ohio.  Only cost me $5.  Can't wait to finally read it.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2008, 09:11:38 PM »
Here is what WorldCat says for the book.  It looks almost the same as that given above, but this is the latest and the greatest!

US,PA OIL CREEK DIST LIBR CTR PCQ

US,PA PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIV UPM

US,PA SLIPPERY ROCK UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA SRS

US,AL BIRMINGHAM-JEFFERSON PUB LIBR ABJ

US,AL UNIV OF N ALABAMA ANO

US,CA ALIBRIS ALBRS

US,CA CARLSBAD CITY LIBR CCP

US,CA LA84 OLY

US,CA SANTA BARBARA PUB LIBR JRW

US,CA THOUSAND OAKS PUB LIBR JTV

US,CO JEFFERSON CNTY PUB LIBR QQ3

US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC

US,IL GLEN ELLYN PUB LIBR JCW

US,IL GLENVIEW PUB LIBR FM0

US,IL MORRIS AREA PUB LIBR DIST OV4

US,IL SCHAUMBURG TOWNSHIP DIST LIBR GO9

US,IL UNIV OF CHICAGO CGU

US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF

US,IN INDIANAPOLIS-MARION CNTY PUB LIBR IMD

US,KY BLUEGRASS COMMUN & TECH COL KUT

US,KY LAUREL CNTY PUB LIBR KI2

US,MI MICHIGAN STATE UNIV EEM

US,MI WILLARD LIBR EEW

US,MO NORTHWEST MISSOURI STATE UNIV MNW

US,MO SPORTING NEWS PUBLISHING CO S6Q

US,NC BAKER & TAYLOR INC TECH SERV & PROD DEV BTCTA

US,NC NEW HANOVER CNTY PUB LIBR HQD

US,NH YBP LIBRARY SERVICES YDX

US,NV WASHOE CNTY LIBR SYST NUW

US,NY BUFFALO & ERIE CNTY PUB LIBR VHB

US,NY SUNY COL OF TECH AT DELHI XDM

US,NY US MERCHANT MARINE ACAD VYM

US,OH BAKER & TAYLOR BAKER

US,OH CLEVELAND PUB LIBR CLE

US,OH COLUMBUS METROP LIBR OCO

US,OH OHIO STATE UNIV, THE OSU

US,OH TOLEDO-LUCAS CNTY PUB LIBR TLM

US,OH WESTERVILLE PUB LIBR OWL

US,OR MULTNOMAH CNTY LIBR ORX

US,SC COASTAL CAROLINA UNIV, KIMBEL LIBR ZKJ

US,TX TEXAS A&M UNIV TXA

US,WA SEATTLE PUB LIBR UOK

US,WV KANAWHA CNTY PUB LIBR WVK

Australia BAYSIDE LIBR SERV ATVBA

Australia STATE LIBR OF NEW S WALES ZP1

CA,ON BIBLIOCENTRE B9B

Hong Kong CHINESE UNIV OF HONG KONG CVU

United Kingdom BRITISH LIBR UKM

United Kingdom CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD

United Kingdom UNIV OF OXFORD EQO
Record for Item: "The confidential guide to..."     The confidential
                    guide to golf courses /

                    Tom Doak
                    1996 English  Book iv, 361 p. : col. ill., col.
                    maps ; 29 cm. Chelsea, MI : Sleeping Bear Press, ; ISBN: 1886947090
                    9781886947092

Availability:       Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries
                    worldwide that own item: 50 Search the catalog at your library
External Resources: Cite This Item
Find Items About:   Doak, Tom.1
Title:              The confidential guide to golf courses /
Author(s):          Doak, Tom.
Publication:        Chelsea, MI : Sleeping Bear Press,
Year:               1996
Description:        iv, 361 p. : col. ill., col. maps ; 29 cm.
Language:           English
Standard No:        ISBN:               1886947090; 9781886947092 LCCN:
                    96-10887
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor:         Golf courses -- Directories.
Identifier:         Golf; Sports facilities
Note(s):            Includes bibliographical references (p. 352) and
                    index.
Class Descriptors:   LC: GV975; Dewey: 796.352/068
Other Titles:       Golf courses; Confidential guide
Responsibility:     by Tom Doak.
More Records:        Show record information
Vendor Info:        Baker & Taylor Baker and Taylor YBP Library
                    Services (BKTY BTCP YANK) 45.00 Status:             active
Document Type:      Book
Entry:              19960227
Update:             20080609
Accession No:       OCLC:               34320542
Database:           WorldCat

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Brent Carlson

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 09:48:19 PM »
I have seen the book at two libraries and once checked it out interlibrary loan.  The public books are easily accessible should anyone like to have a read.  How cool!

Nicholas Coppolo

Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 10:21:46 AM »
For those in NY....
  the Merchant Marine Academy in Great Neck has a copy, in open stacks....its never been checked out and they have no ideas what they have there.
  Also, the Buffalo public library has one, that the loaned to Juilliard for me, I had it for a month, and just returned it, solely because of my wife's guilting of my conscience  ;)

Neither knows how rare a book it is.

John Mayhugh

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Re: Confidential Guide in Public Libraries
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 02:02:00 PM »
Great post.  Thanks especially for the list of locations, including one in KY (who knew?).  I've requested it though an interlibrary loan.