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Forrest Richardson

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2008, 11:46:52 PM »
The work for the next two decades is this:

Re-purpose the largest segment of courses in the U.S. — indeed, the world — those built from 1950 through 1980. These courses all have lacking infrastructure, problems of every sort and — best of all — they are 100% entitled to be golf courses!

Looking back on my recent projects, this is the category.

The aware designer will, of course migrate to Europe, Latin America and Asia, but will (finally) focus inward on the U.S. where this depository awaits the hand of creativity.
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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paul cowley

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2008, 12:41:10 PM »
I love you! :)
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Forrest Richardson

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2008, 12:51:13 PM »
No. I love you!
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Adam_Messix

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2008, 01:25:51 PM »
As far as the short term goes, the new golf course market is going to trickle to a virtual standstill.  At this point; the land costs too much, they are exceptionally difficult to get permitted, water usage in a lot of locations is tight but might be doable using effluents, the credit market is tight which affects the housing market, and the increase costs of maintaining the course once it's open, plus all of the additional infastructure costs like clubhouse, maintenance buildings, golf shops, cart barns; etc. 

There will always be the occasional new course, but as was also mentioned, the market is saturated.  Demand has to be there to make it work and potentially a lack of supply. 

Most of the name architects are going to be fine.  They will have less work and in turn a smaller staff.  Also, there's going to be plenty of renovation/restoration work to keep them busy. 

Bill_McBride

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2008, 01:31:14 PM »
No. I love you!

You guys need to get a room.

Is this typical of ASCGA members?  ???  ;D


Forrest Richardson

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2008, 02:18:16 PM »
Wow, for a moment I thought I was sunk. But, since I have a name, I will be fine. How about you, Paul? Has Cowley faded from your passport, or is it still there?

[Bill Mc — It is not in our bylaws, but we do love each other.]
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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    www.golframes.com

paul cowley

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2008, 03:41:01 PM »
Wow, for a moment I thought I was sunk. But, since I have a name, I will be fine. How about you, Paul? Has Cowley faded from your passport, or is it still there?

[Bill Mc — It is not in our bylaws, but we do love each other.]

Yeah I got a name and its spelled C O W L E Y....say it again....COWLEY!

As for the ASGCA, just wait till we get Doak in....it will be a group hugging toga party till dawn when that day finally arrives.

And Forrest, thanks as always for watching my back... :-*
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Forrest Richardson

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2008, 04:22:59 PM »
Toga? Isn't that slang for extremely white bunker sand?
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Tim Nugent

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Re: The short term future for new golf courses...
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2008, 04:41:27 PM »
Paul, greetings.  Dinner with the wives at St. Andrews was special.  I wish we could have talked about this (although I did find your musical history was interesting).  Years ago when I was in F.R.'s Valley of the Sun, I did an internship at the AZ Dept. of Energy in the Solar Energy Dept.  We field tested some solar battery charges  The Biltmoor courses.  They were flexible PV mats that went on the roofs and trickle charged the batteries (also used for boats).  After I graduated, I always wondered what ever happened to that technology.  It was viable back in the 80's.
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