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Tim Weiman

Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2002, 07:26:54 AM »
Brad Miller:

It has been a long time since a course came across on television as well as Prairie Dunes did.  I thought it put Bethpage to shame.
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corey miller

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Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2002, 07:53:32 AM »
the bunker left on 18 certainly loses the "eye-candy" effect with the cart path next to it.

There were some bunkers that i remember thinking "eye-candy" back 12 and back left 5, which came into play on relatively good shots, proving they were not.  In fact it looked like rough behind 12 was higher than normal taking that bunker out of play.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2002, 08:24:31 AM »
Not since Pinehurst has a course needed so little done to prepare it for a major championship, and the outcome was similar.  Prairie Dunes provided a stringent test for everyone, but clearly rewarded great play with the cream rising to the top and a deserving champion crowned.

Favorite features?  What's not to like?  

The greensites are spectacular, the fairways rolling, firm, and undulating, and a superb design balance and mix of hole lengths, directions, and demands.  I loved the rugged character of the bunkers, and that Yucca looks like nasty stuff, indeed!    

The only questionable feature in my mind are the cottonwood trees, which seem out of character on a few holes.  

To be honest, I'm scared to death to play it.  It looks as though it will expose every single weakness in my game, and grind me into the prairie dust.  

Still, just to try some of those approach shots and putt those Maxwellian greens will be more fun than anyone deserves, I suspect! :)
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Chris_Clouser

Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2002, 09:18:15 AM »
Clay Man,

That bunker on the 18th is kind of out of the way, but not out of play if you hook a shot from that lie that induces a draw anyway.  I've been in it.  :-[  But the cart path running between the two bunkers is kind of an eyesore.  I believe the fairways were actually narrower in the original version by Maxwell but I would have to check in my information from the first course history book put out in 1987.  I think one of the people who was on the original construction comments on that.  

As for the trees that exist there, they don't come into play on 15, or they shouldn't anyway.  The only hole they really affect play is on 12 if you don't go about 20 yards off the fairway or something like that.  I can understand what people are saying about the trees affecting play, but aside from that what is so wrong with the trees on 12 through 15.  There are trees all over that course, but they just aren't in play.  There are trees by the 1st and 2nd holes, by 4 and 6 and near the 8th green.  There are trees by the 11th tee and in back of the 11th green.  I think I have heard that complaint many times, but just don't get the reason for it with the possible exception of the 12th hole.  To me that is a preference thing.  If you see many of Maxwell's courses you will see a similar strategy on many of them, so it isn't out of character with what he did in his work.  

The one thing that really stood out to me was that none of the women ever played out of the bunker, or at least a smaller number than if the men are playing.  Is it that the bunkers at PD are real hazards and the women stay away from them due to that or is it that the women approach the play on the course differently than the men?

My favorite feature on the course is one that didn't come across as well as I hoped on the television, but the rippling affect of the fairways with the sloping of the fairway.  It is amazing how much those fairways roll in some spots.  8 and 9 are extreme, but several other holes have this feature as well.  And believe me, they can play havoc with your stance and lie and make what would normally be a rather easy shot into a difficult option.  

The other feature that stood out is that the greens each set up some difficult pockets for pin positions on shelves and in bowls.  I didn't really see these "ultra" pins being used on many holes from the coverage I saw.  I did notice that the 9th pin placement on Sunday was the same as the day I played and scored a birdie on the hole.   ;D
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2002, 11:56:02 AM »
I was out of town, and away from TV sets, during the Women's Open. Didn't get to see a bit of the course -- one I've long been eager to see.

If anyone made a VHS tape and would be willing to let me borrow it (I'll pay the shipping, of course), please Message me. Thanks.
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jim_lewis

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Re: Favorite features at Prairie Dunes?
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2002, 12:22:42 PM »
I played Prairie Dunes only once, about 11 years ago, and it instantly became one of my favorite courses.  The telecast just reinforced that opinion. The incredible greens and the humps and rolls in the fairways have already been adequately praised on this thread. I did not know then, nor do I really care now, which holes were designed by Perry vs. Press.

One feature that I particularly appreciate about the course is the fact that there is very little water in view, and none in play. It just proves my strongly-held view that a course does not have to be located near a river, lake, or ocean to be great. Nor, does it have to be pock-marked with several irrigation ponds. Nor is an ocean required to produce wind.
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