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tlavin

Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« on: March 05, 2008, 04:39:11 PM »
Geoff has a terrific, all-encompassing piece on the woes of the PGA Tour Setup men.  Here's the link:

http://www.golfdigest.com/golfworld/columnists/2008/03/gw20080307shackelford?currentPage=1

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John Kavanaugh

Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 04:41:12 PM »
JB Holmes is a width whore just like you guys.  He must be a achitectural intellectual.
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George Pazin

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 04:49:58 PM »
Dan King's Virtual Golf Tour is looking better and better every day.
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John Moore II

Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 05:02:25 PM »
JK--I agree, maybe they should tell JB Holmes to just hit it straighter instead of complaining about the setup being too narrow.
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Kirk Gill

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 05:33:45 PM »
What got to me in reading the article is the way that the PGA guys seem to have a sense of entitlement to make any changes to a course that they see fit. The members of a club, once they make their course available to The Tour, seem to give up all say regarding what will or won't be done to their course, up to and including fairway contours.

Is hosting a Tour event so valuable? Am I misintrepreting something?
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Mark Smolens

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 06:01:04 PM »
The membership at Butler National certainly agrees with you Kirk. . .
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Don Dinkmeyer

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 07:09:06 PM »
Definitely a great article. Thanks for posting it.
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Voytek Wilczak

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 07:27:57 PM »
Quote from: Kirk Gill on March 05, 2008, 05:33:45 PM

Is hosting a Tour event so valuable?

I think that for the clubs which need such enhancement, hosting a PGA Tour event enhances the club's prestige.

For clubs like PVGC or Cypress - the opposite is true.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 08:43:43 PM »
So if there was no advance setup man....
would Tiger win less?

Would it matter if the sand and rough weren't consistent or the greens 12?
The upcoming recession/depression is going to do golf a lot of good.
I sure loved golf in the 70's and that's where we're headed
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Steve Burrows

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 10:15:15 PM »
Ultimately, the PGA Tour is working for the players.  This means that the set-up from week-to-week is actually based on their suggestions.  The people you hear from are not in the majority.  If a majority of them (or whatever percentage it actually takes to make changes based on their rules of order) really wanted to make a change to wider fairways, lower rough, few pins near the edges, etc., then the changes would be made.
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Steve Kline

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Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 10:18:09 PM »
I say show up at the course and play. If the Tour doesn't like the way the course has been maintained, they can opt to go somewhere else. I'm sure it was more like that in the old days.
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Peter Nomm

Re: Great Shackelford Article on Tour Setup
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 10:42:29 PM »
Interesting - I think the point relating the pace of play to the firm & fast conditions with tucked pins is a valid argument I had not considered.  A tougher golf course will generally take longer to play.

Sure they can play faster but it definitely adds to it.
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