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Adrian_Stiff

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Tree planting at St. Andrews
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:53:16 AM »
Today I watched Shells wonderful world of golf and it was from St Andrews, I'd say filmed 1967 ish.
There was no Old course hotel, but strangely there was some tree planting behind the 1st green of some evergreens, they may have been Scots Pine although they may have even our house favourites Lleylandii !!!!! The images were not clear. Similar trees were behind the 4th and 5th greens.
They obviously never lasted long because they are not in the 1970 Open video.
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 01:02:10 PM »
how desperate were the 60' in golf course design...
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »
its on Setanta again Now... weird seeing trees behind the first green. Scots Pine about 10 feet tall.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 03:41:48 PM »
I've not seen this, but it'd be interesting to hear reasons why someone thought planting such trees at St. Andrews was a good idea. (This is NOT sarcasm!)
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 03:54:00 PM »
Jeff- I am thinking exactly the same, this was the mid 60s and the powers that be had no respect for the things we value so dearly today. The planting is appalling, pairs of bushy scots pine have been planted behind many greens (would make the reverse course impossible) They are behind, 1st, 4th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 14th, 16th.
Most probably they would have died of natural courses many are 15 feet in height and Pine that height in the UK is not easy to transplant and survive.
The course also looks as if its just been fed with Nitram and the greens would appear to be stimping at about 4!!!!! Sky is typically St Andrews grey though!!!
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 03:57:18 PM »
Unreal.

I can't imagine how such trees would be fit behind the green at the Eden hole?!
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 06:39:43 PM »
Can somebody please, PLEASE get a screen capture of Jimmy's Tammie?

"Buy a hat like that, get a free bowl a' soup...!

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FBD.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 06:46:35 PM »
'Aiming Trees' - at St Andrews. What were they on?????
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David Stamm

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 08:49:07 PM »
I'm not sure what hole this is, but.........



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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 08:54:06 PM »
was it st andrew by the sea, canada....
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David Stamm

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 08:56:29 PM »
No, it's listed in the book as St Andrews, Scotland. I've never been to SA, so I can't say where this is exactly. Anyone know? The book was publised in 1966, btw.
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Kyle Harris

Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 08:58:41 PM »
Quote from: David Stamm on February 19, 2008, 08:56:29 PM
No, it's listed in the book as St Andrews, Scotland. I've never been to SA, so I can't say where this is exactly. Anyone know? The book was publised in 1966, btw.

The New Course?
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David Stamm

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 09:08:03 PM »
Kyle, I honestly don't know. It's a book I picked up at a library discard sale called "Golf/New Horizons-Pan Am's guide to golf courses around the world".
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David_Tepper

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 09:11:53 PM »
Small groves of spruce/pine trees are not totally unheard of on links/seaside courses in GBI. Carnoustie and Formby are 2 courses that come to mind. At Golspie, there is a small grove of such trees between the 4th & 17th greens, not more than 20 yards from the beach.   
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 09:14:27 PM »
I'm looking at stuff that haven't change in the landscape...

It would be hard to believe that the hole is playing toward town since the mountains looks pretty big and we can see any church steeple in the distance (normally steeples dominate the skyline)

So it has to play towards Leuchars and be pretty close to the Eden River (that leave us with 6,7, 10, 11...

I honestly don't recognize the bunker disposition or the landform (there's a 25 feet high slope on the left????

Could be the New Course
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2008, 09:16:13 PM »
Quote from: David Stamm on February 19, 2008, 08:49:07 PM
I'm not sure what hole this is, but.........

Denty Den , Kings Course , Gleaneagles .
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2008, 09:16:41 PM »
It looks more like a black and white of the old version of the Duke's Course (I know it didn't exist back then)
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2008, 09:18:59 PM »
Philippe
I am surprised you cant recognise the bunkering of James Braid .
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2008, 09:24:54 PM »
I was looking as if it was the Old Course....

never trust a book
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David Stamm

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2008, 09:29:33 PM »
Quote from: Philippe Binette on February 19, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
I was looking as if it was the Old Course....

never trust a book


Sorry guys, I didn't know one way or another if it was true or not. The mountains in the distance made me skeptical. 
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2008, 09:31:54 PM »
Quote from: Philippe Binette on February 19, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
never trust a book

Especially if its an American one  ;)
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Sean Walsh

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Re: Tree planting at St. Andrews
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2008, 09:36:37 PM »
Thanks for putting me out of my misery Brian.  Couldn't for the life of me think of any hole at St Andrews that fit.  The closest would be three bunkers crossing the fairway on 8 New and three just before the green on 11 Eden.  Curiously enough both very good holes..
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