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Ran Morrissett

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« on: December 20, 2007, 07:15:28 PM »
...Architecture Timeline and Courses by Country.

The past dozen years have seen a number of courses return to, or very near, their full glory, with Oakmont and NGLA being at the head of the class. Just as good a story, and maybe even a more dramatic transformation, has also occurred at another Macdonald course.

When I first saw Sleepy Hollow in 1985, the ground it occupied was the highlight, as opposed to any notable architectural features. Sadly, it floundered around for nearly twenty years, trying this architect and that, looking for its soul. Mercifully, in 2004, right before the course could have been lost for a very long time, the green committee under George Sanossian (and including our very own Corey Miller) reversed the general path that the Club was pursuing.  Instead, they opted to hire Gil Hanse and George Bahto to unite all twenty-seven holes under the one design style of C.B. Macdonald (in 1930/31,Tillinghast knitted seven holes into Macdonald’s original course when the club expanded to twenty-seven holes).

The result of the work carried out by Hanse and the legendary Bahto is startling. In fact, I can’t recall a single course that has had this much life breathed back into it. The big picture success points are its tree removal program (with property and views this unique, why hide them?), bunker work featuring superior placement and properly recapturing the depth and scale that Macdonald frequently employed, the creation of a new hole with a Double Plateau green, and picking up length while REDUCING the green to tee walks (something I’ve never heard of happening - have you?).

Look at some of these photographs  :o and tell me if this isn’t the most interesting course tee to green in Westchester County? The topography, openness, and new bunkering patterns make its case. In terms of interior green contours, it might not (yet!) be in the top five in this golf rich area but there remains plenty of short game interest.

The Club, Gil and George deserve enormous credit and it is for this very purpose that GolfClubAtlas.com was founded in hopes of being able to chronicle/highlight such great success stories as the way forward. Hopefully, other area clubs fortunate to have courses by the Gods of the Golden Age are paying close attention to the work accomplished here.

In early 2008, we will proudly post a Feature Interview with George Sanossian, head of the green committee, to gain further insight into the process that ultimately yielded this wonderful resurrection of a new old Macdonald course.

Cheers,

jeffwarne

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
Congrats Corey and team.

Sleepy Hollow is one of my favorite courses/places anywhere having been fortunate enough to work there under Jim McLean for two years as a teaching professional.
It was great before despite having made a few architecturally regrettable steps.
It looks fantastic now!

George Sanossian was one of my more active parents in my junior program and his son Chris went on to be a pretty good player.
Clearly George's strength's lie in architecture ;D

Great job guys-I really like #5 and I see what you mean about #15 Corey. Nice to see the  smiley wiped off #16
Gotta get out there next summer.
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Sean_A

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 08:03:08 PM »
Ran

Thanks so much for the review.  The course looks to be very impressive and for the most part a stunner.  In fact, the only hole I don't like the look of is the famed 16th.  I just can't get past the artificiality of the hole especially with that stunning backdrop.  

Ciao
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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 08:40:48 PM »
Ran,

I agree on all points.

Sleepy Hollow is unique for Westchester.

It's sporty, fun and challenging.
The views are the icing on the cake.

Sean Arble,

That's why you have to play a hole to appreciate its merits.
# 16 is a wonderful little hole that perfectly connects # 15 to # 17, something that many forget is a vital component in the overall design and routing.

The tee is perched on one ridge, with the green over a ravine perched on the next ridge.

# 3 and # 16 make perfect use of a difficult bit of topography.

Of course I'm sure many could have routed this unique piece of property better than old CBM

Sean_A

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 08:50:29 PM »
Ran,

I agree on all points.

Sleepy Hollow is unique for Westchester.

It's sporty, fun and challenging.
The views are the icing on the cake.

Sean Arble,

That's why you have to play a hole to appreciate its merits.
# 16 is a wonderful little hole that perfectly connects # 15 to # 17, something that many forget is a vital component in the overall design and routing.

The tee is perched on one ridge, with the green over a ravine perched on the next ridge.

# 3 and # 16 make perfect use of a difficult bit of topography.

Of course I'm sure many could have routed this unique piece of property better than old CBM

I am pleased that you don't believe anything better could have been built.  However, the routing or playing merits don't address my issue with the hole.  Because you don't believe a hole can be enhanced by the beauty of its design doesn't necessarily mean that I must agree with you.  

Ciao
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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 10:57:21 PM »
Sean Arble,

If you've NEVER seen the hole from the golfer's perspective how can you declare that it's artificial looking ?


David Stamm

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 11:33:17 PM »
Sean Arble,

If you've NEVER seen the hole from the golfer's perspective how can you declare that it's artificial looking ?




 Pat, I don't want to get in the middle of the two of you's debate, but I must ask. I can understand how a golfer cannot appreciate the playing characteristics of a hole by simply looking at a photo, but can't a golfer determine the aesthetic appeal from the same said photo?
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

brad_miller

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 10:00:54 AM »
A wonderful transformation one that should only get better as it grows in. Knowing something about all the work that was needed to make this happen heartfelt congratulations to all involved. As always Ran captures the essence and is spot on with his comments.

There are a few other clubs in the greater NYC area that have a McDonald/Raynor legacy that would be lucky to have team Hanse and Bahto involved in their long term plans.

Anthony Butler

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Re:Sleepy Hollow course profile is posted under...
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 10:07:53 AM »
...Architecture Timeline and Courses by Country.

The past dozen years have seen a number of courses return to, or very near, their full glory, with Oakmont and NGLA being at the head of the class. Just as good a story, and maybe even a more dramatic transformation, has also occurred at another Macdonald course.

When I first saw Sleepy Hollow in 1985, the ground it occupied was the highlight, as opposed to any notable architectural features. Sadly, it floundered around for nearly twenty years, trying this architect and that, looking for its soul. Mercifully, in 2004, right before the course could have been lost for a very long time, the green committee under George Sanossian (and including our very own Corey Miller) reversed the general path that the Club was pursuing.

Ran,

What a sensational job they have done at Sleepy Hollow. And what a great review. If the New Yorker ever wanted to replace Herb Warren Wind, you would be getting the call.

From my long family history at NSWGC, the temptation to 'let the grass grow' under your feet at a course with a sensational outlook is tremendous. In fact it's hard to think of a course in this situation that hasn't suffered from this ennui at some point in its history (although it is not always reflected in the rankings).

Sleepy Hollow... the views, the course, and the chance to play with Bill Murray! Someone ought to do the same thing with Myopia Hunt Club before John Updike drops off the twig.  :)
Next!

Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2007, 10:10:12 AM »
Way to go, Corey!  Your passion for getting this done right lo these many years seems to have paid off in spades!  

Uncle George looks like he's in heaven out there.  ;D


Jeff Doerr

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 10:29:12 AM »
What a great place.

Ran, my vote is that the opening page of this site is graced by the opening image of this profile. The punchbowl with the short in the background is awesome. My second place vote would be for the stunning 5th. That hole begs to be played. It looks like you'd be stepping into a canvas - beautiful.
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Patrick Kiser

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 10:32:43 PM »
Wow!  :o
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