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David Kelly

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Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« on: August 22, 2002, 12:56:47 PM »
Here is an article on Sandy Tatum that appeared in today's Los Angeles Times.  He seems to favor a competition ball and thinks that Torrey Pines would be a better site for the US Open in 2008 than Riviera because of how it would be recieved by the people of San Diego.

You have to register to read the article at latimes.com so I have pasted the article below.
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Spar for the Course
Sandy Tatum is putting up a fight for classics such as Cypress Point and Merion.


PEBBLE BEACH -- Another drive safely in the fairway, Frank D. "Sandy" Tatum puts his club down and returns to his point.

"Golf courses are losing their relevance," says Tatum, 82. "This course is a classic example."

This course? Cypress Point? Surely, Tatum, a former president of the U.S. Golf Assn., must be exaggerating. With its giant sand dunes, undulating fairways and dramatic views of the Pacific Ocean, Cypress Point Club couldn't be more relevant.

But Tatum is not exaggerating. That is not how he communicates. He communicates with anecdotes, as well-placed as his tee shots, such as the one he tells at the formidable 12th, a dogleg right that Ben Hogan, according to Tatum, called his favorite par four in the world.

Three years earlier, he was playing Cypress with three members of the U.S. Walker Cup team. During the round, they required only wedges or short irons for their approaches to the green. It confirmed to Tatum that Cypress, as conceived by its designer, Alister MacKenzie, in the late 1920s, was no longer the challenge it was meant to be. It could be tamed. Worse, conquered. Today's players, thanks to more sophisticated equipment and better conditioning, simply hit it too far.

"I was very depressed," Tatum recalls.

Tatum arrives at his drive, and conclusion.

"I finally told them what I thought," he says, "and I asked them if they understood what was going on in the game. One of them said that he couldn't agree with me more."

Agreement is one thing, change another, and that's what depresses Tatum the most. He doesn't see it happening. Not soon enough, at least. Not with the millions of dollars that manufacturers have at stake.

He has a right to make his case. Very few have given more to the game. As a boy in the late 1920s, he was smitten while accompanying his father down the fairways of Bel-Air Country Club. His first hero was Bobby Jones.

Tatum went on to star at Stanford, winning the NCAA individual title in 1942, but that was before there was any real money in professional golf.

Instead, he joined the Navy, landed a Rhodes scholarship and a career in law, which he still practices part-time in San Francisco.

But he never abandoned his other love, serving, most prominently, as the USGA head in the late 1970s. Encountering criticism over the way the Winged Foot Golf Club in Mamaroneck, N.Y., had been set up for the 1974 U.S. Open, won by Hale Irwin at seven-over 287, Tatum, chairman of the championship committee at the time, responded with an unforgettable defense. "We're not trying to humiliate the best players in the world," he said. "We are simply trying to identify who they are."

Tatum, who can still play—he would shoot a respectable 86 on this typically foggy day on the Monterey Peninsula—has also identified a solution to the length problem.

It has to do with the golf ball, not the clubs, as many have contended in recent years. He is convinced there is a way for technology to limit how far the top professionals can hit the ball, perhaps to about 290 yards, while, at the same time, not reduce the maximum driving distance for the average player. If such a ceiling is not imposed, he claims, brilliant designs such as Cypress Point and Merion, outside Philadelphia, where Jones completed the Grand Slam in 1930, will become more irrelevant. "Something has got to be done," he says.

Speaking of Slams, the topic of Tiger Woods comes up as Tatum reaches the 15th tee. Even if Woods had been able to pull off the Slam this year, Tatum does not believe the accomplishment would have surpassed what Jones did. "Jones had to win in a match-play format," he points out, "and, in those days, the amateurs were at least as good as the professionals."

Tatum expects a lot from Woods. He once wrote him a letter, hoping that, as an example to youngsters, he would finish his education before going on to the PGA Tour. He doesn't know if Woods ever read it. He still believes that Woods, who left Stanford after his sophomore year, could do a tremendous service if he were to go back and get his degree in the fall during the tour's unofficial season. Too many youngsters, especially underprivileged ones, according to Tatum, sacrifice their education, believing in the "delusion" that they will be successful in life if they only develop their athletic skills.

He is also direct when the discussion turns to Riviera Country Club in Pacific Palisades, which, after undergoing renovations, is hoping to play host to a U.S. Open for the first time since 1948. Word on the site for the 2008 tournament is likely to come from the USGA in October.

Tatum seems more fond of the other Southern California candidate, Torrey Pines in La Jolla, which he played recently. Besides providing a better infrastructure, an Open at a public facility, on the heels of the visit to Bethpage Black, would be another symbolic tribute to public golf. "Los Angeles is a very blase town," he adds. "San Diego would go bonkers over an Open."

At various points during the round, Tatum's game falters a bit. "Isn't that pathetic?" he says after coming up short on a chip shot. "I can still hit it pretty well at times. I just can't sustain it."

But there is one thing he can sustain. His enthusiasm. For someone who, by his estimate, has played Cypress "thousands of times," he never fails to appreciate its beauty and serenity.

"The adrenaline was flowing when I was in my car on the way here," says Tatum, who owns a house in nearby Capitola. "Coming here affects me so much. I always feel like I'm playing it for the first time."

Cypress certainly seems part of another era.

No beverage cart. No real estate development.

Only the game of golf, with all its possibilities and pitfalls.

About six months ago, Tatum was approached by the leadership of the club for his views on lengthening the course to keep up with today's longer hitters. That's what Augusta National and Riviera did, and what many others will surely do in the years ahead.

Forget about keeping up with today's longer hitters, he said. They are the problem, not Cypress.

"I think it's more useful to keep Cypress the way it is, to show it as an example of what has happened to the classic courses," he says, preparing to line up another tee shot.

He swings away. The ball heads straight toward its target. Everything, for the moment, is perfect.
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2002, 02:05:15 PM »
Thanks for posting this!

Having enjoyed four hours with the man, once. I was moved by his emotion but not by his reasoning. Stifeling improvements is contrary to man's nature. Does anyone out there think CPC, Merion or any other big name you wanna drop, is irrelavant? say so now. Irrelavant for who? not the members, I assure you. Not us GCA geeks, not even Tiger Woods. Who, I'm sure as shoot'in, gets just as jazzed on his way over to CPC, everytime.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2002, 04:39:24 PM »
A Clayman,

They are losing their distinctive architectural life and design integrity to the long ball, hit by both the Pro and the Amateur.
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Dave_Miller

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Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2002, 04:43:16 PM »
Adam:

Could not agree with you more.  Cypress, Merion, Pine Valley, Seminole etc.  Just the image of them and how world class they are is enough.

These courses don't have to prove anything.  They owe nothing to the evolution of the players and the equipment.

They have stood the test of time, have challenged the best  and continue to be world class, and they always will.

Fairways and Greens,

Dave
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Mike_Sweeney

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2002, 05:06:19 PM »
I met Sandy Tatum at his book signing during the rain on Friday at Bethpage. His interest in my 6 year old son's golf game was so genuine that I was very moved. Great man and I really enjoyed his book.
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2002, 05:43:23 AM »
Pat- Why does such a small percentage of players dictate the merits of the architecture?

There is way too much talk about the Pro game. It is a real waste of bandwith. IMO  :o

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John_D._Bernhardt

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2002, 07:03:10 PM »
The weight he put on the issues other than the golf course tells you the USGA has lost its focus. Torrey is not an Open caliber course and is worse now than before. Adam you are right as rain.
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Lou Duran

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2002, 07:50:09 PM »
Though I've never met the man, I've admired Sandy Tatum for a long time.  His love and care for golf cannot be questioned, nor his motivation in expressing his often unpopular views on where the game is heading.

In his book he argues persuasively for one set of rules applying to all golfers, pros and amateurs alike.  That he is now supporting a tournament ball speaks volumes about where he sees the arms race leading the game.  Adam and others may say that the Merions and CPCs of the world need not change to please a tiny minority of expert players.  Yet it is clear that the average golfer wants to play the equipment used by the pros and on the same type of courses.  Too many classical courses have succumbed to the demands for modernization by its owners/members.  Even for an unacomplished player such as myself, a course like CPC does not play nearly as hard as it did back in the days of persimon woods and mushy balata balls.  Most great courses under 7,000 yards with room to grow are at risk.

Mr. Tatum is obviously so greatly concerned that he is willing to reverse himself from a position that he held so strongly in the past.  What I find particularly inspiring about the man is that as he approaches the end of a long, close to perfect life (can it get any better than having CPC and SFGC as your home clubs, the game to really appreciate them, a great family, fantastic friends, good health, wealth) he is not just sitting back.  He is out there speaking out on behalf of those present and future golfers who deserve the opportunity to experience those very special places, the relatively few remaining mostly unchanged classical golf courses.

If I could choose a person to meet and play a round of golf with any place in the world, it would be with Sandy Tatum at Cypress Point.  I would even consent to having Tom Watson join us for a second 18 at Spanish Bay.    
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Paul Richards

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Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2002, 08:04:26 PM »
I respect Mr. Tatum alot, especially since I agree with him so much on this issue.  

I read his book and hope that the USGA is listening now ...
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

John_D._Bernhardt

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2002, 08:24:17 PM »
Let me go on record as expressing my respect for the man and his life. Yet, I still find concern with this article.
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Paul Richards

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Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2002, 04:30:25 AM »
John:

What concern?

I, for one, agree totally that the problem is the ball.  Since
I haven't seen the redone Torrey, it's not fair for me to comment other than to say that pre-renovation, there is NO WAY this course should ever host a major.  It was an underachieving use of beautiful land that was just a golf-factory (I played it about 15 times, so I know!).  From what I saw on TV this spring, they made Torrey much BIGGER, but, IMHO, not all that BETTER.

I think Cog Hill #4, Dubsdread, is just as worthy to host an Open if it is to be played on a different, truly public course.  It would have been nice to have awarded it an Open while Mr. Jemsek was still alive, though.
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

A_Clay_Man

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2002, 05:58:11 AM »
To me, golf has always meant alot more than the distance the ball travels. i.e. I picked up my sticks for the first time in 9 whole days. On the first tee, I was rewarded for my smooth uncertain swing with a drive that went 350 yds. (It must've hit the limestone). Well my double bogey from 40 yds, was mostly due to my brain confirming that long and down the middle can be highly overrated.  :o
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John Bernhardt

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2002, 08:00:55 AM »
Paul, I go back to comment about identifying the best golfer from 1974. I 100% agree with that view, even if i disagree with the methodology the USGA uses to achieve that end. As for Southern California. Tatum did not addresss the golf or architectual merits of the various courses under consideration. He discussed whether the course is public or not. He noted LA is a blase town, ie would not be as excited to host an open as San Diego.  When did that become an issue. Is the USGA as twisted as the Olympics or the NFL(super Bowl) where communities have to wine and dine and maybe do things, so outside the box for golf, to get an USGA event. I hope not. Or did he mean the city should be a golf city much as Carmel or St. Andrews. NY never has been critisized for this. He can't be worried about ticket sales. The open sells out before the public ever gets a chance to buy ticket one. Oh there is the public again.The public issue has only been on the radar screen for a few years and is or should be a 5th or below criteria. The justification for having an Open in SD is weak weak weak. There is not a course of what should be Open standards there. I wish there was for SD is a beautiful city and my favorite Socal place to be. We would love and kill to have The Open in the south, but the gentlemen in NJ who make you walk 36 in 100% humidity and 100 degree heat to qualify will not dare make sweat show on their blazers in the event itself.
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John Bernhardt

Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2002, 08:08:43 AM »
Paul, I do agree with the ball discussion part of the article. It is the Open part that twisted me off.
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Paul Richards

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Re: Tatum Putting Up Fight for Classic Courses
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2002, 01:43:25 PM »
John:

I agree.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by 1056376800 »
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

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